Am interested in logic as well,
one of my students is really in to it.
Don't have a mac yet, but soon.
On 12/18/2015 11:28 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
agree Reaper seems more and more to be the future for us pc users.
will dig deeper into its midi editor; looks like there are tons of actions there for selection and interpolation of events; but , like you , have mainly explored the sws and js stuff.
will soon install Logic pro x on my mac mini , and start getting into this world as well.
best
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
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Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 6:34 AM
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: hot and fresh from the studio
Yes, it seems to be more stable and less prone to error than 9.2, so far the only snag seems to be when usin the find command in sonar, it seems to hang, but when you alt tab out of sonar and hit escape it seems to right itself, but then never finds what you want.
Like when you label tool tips and then try to find one, that doesn't work like prior versions of we does.
Also we seems to be a bit sticky when control tabbing to child windows,
llike when you have plug-in windows open and try to get to them back and forth from sonar's main track view.
I have not been able to make the OCR work for anything I've tried it with yet, and yes, I did it with the virtual view app.
I tried it on the sfz window which is fairly simple, only a few controls, and it did not find any of the text.
I did turn on the tiff thing it told me to but no cigar, we thinks no controls are there.
Jaws finds those control mostly just fine.
The real world values I'm talking about are in reaper, NVDA can see real world values where jaws doesn't,
because of the differences in how they deal with MSAA.
I know some plugs don't expose real world values to any screen-reader, but jaws doesn't report real world values even when they are exposed, probably could be fixed with an auxiliary script, and poor old window-eyes
can see the plug-in windows when you hit shift p, but it doesn't see any of the navigation things, like bars and memasures, or what track you're on, anything Osara does.
Will have to check out the things you say we can see on sonar now,
haven't gotten that far, when Jamie started really getting going with reaper, and John seemed to be at a stand still with that control surface he's been battling,
and he disappeared for a while, I put all myenergies in tothe thing that was moving, and that was reaper.
I've had some hardware failures, and had to rebuild this machine I'm using to test, so haven't gotten platinum back on it yet,
but will do soon for more testing.
I see Bryan Smart is on the reaper list now,
fleet little reaper is sure shaping up to be a great choice going forward.
Will take a bit to catch up with sonar for midi stuff,
and may never quite, but still, for audio is really great.
We don't have a paralel for the matrix or for interpolation as far as I can see,
probably could do something with js or the sws stuff, but there's no just plug in values and have them change in a friendly search and replace thingie is there?
Anyway, looks like for now, reaper is the future.
On 12/18/2015 9:30 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
thanks for the info on We; have you tried 9.3.1? is it any better than 9.2?
turned on the ocr-related windows feature?
is the ocr in 9.3 done in the virtual view app?
as for the values in the automatable parameters dialog , it has to do with how the plug-in exposes them; sometimes they're real world values related to the parameter , sometimes just percentages or ordinal numbers.
fortunately WE detects the view-related , secondary menu bar in Sonar x and platinum.
bars , so we can access the region fx etc.
same thing here , have to sometimes carry out paralel testing with all screen readers to see if something is accessible to a degree it can be effectively used.
a good example is XLNAudio's online installer; the login screen is accessible; afterwords , everything needs to be done with ocr.
best
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 2:40 AM
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: hot and fresh from the studio
Yeh, will have to re-visit synth font at some point, I bought it too.
I just tried window-eyes free 60 day demo, and I think they're slowly getting it back to where it should be.
Needs a lot of work,
it still won't see a thing with reaper,
jaws and NVDA both do,
though jaws doesn't
always see real world values in the fx dialogues and such.
But we doesn't see any of the standard MSAA stuf in there that Osara is supposed to show to any screen-reader.
Also can't do a thing with
we' OCR stuff,
I'm sure there's some stuff it'll work with, but not the sfz window,
which was my test, it didn't find any of the controls.
Jaws and NVDA both will.
But we seems to behave fairly well otherwise, it was so bad with the first version of 8 that it wouldn't even install on my system,
but I've been putting it through some paces for the last couple hours or so, and so far, hasn't crashed or acted crazy like it was.
when using the find command in sonar, it hangs up a bit,
I label a bunch of graphics with the auto labeler,
and say try to find the envelope or ofset mode,
and we used to find that with no trouble, but now it just goes dead, and when I get out of the window it comes back to life,
so go figure.
YOu really have to have all three screen-readers to get it all,
because as good as NVDA object nav is, it still won't read some things that we will, and junky old jaws get's stuck in forms mode sometimes,
and NVDA will work when it won't or the other way around, it's just nuts.
Ah the things we put up with just to get a little work done.
'grin'.
I know you know what I'm getting at, you are one
of the few folks like me who use multiple
screen-readers,
people tend to get in one camp and never poke their heads up, even high level devs who should know better,
people are branching out a bit mor these days,
but many get too confused trying to keep up with more than one tool, and yes, it can be a bit nuts, but it's well worth it for the extra access we get to try and do it.
You will always know your first tool the best, if you spent years with one thing, and learned another thing,
like a second or third language, but it still garners rewards.
One thing we has let me do even the older version is explore sonar platinum a bit,
John Martyn's scripts are not ready for drive time yet, and jaws MSAA buffer doesn't refresh as quickly as we's buffer does, it's crazy, you can start jaws, and i won't show anything in sonar platinum for a bit, and then flip out of the window and come back and then you see stuff.
John said it was a refresh issue.
He supposed to be working on that control surface, but I haven't talked to him in a while,
I need to catch up with him.
But we at least shows up the basic fields,
so is
possible to make some use of platinum, even if just a little bit.
But I am really wondering why nothing shows up with we and reaper, jamie says he's using standard MSAA stuff, but all the readders implement it differently, and all the devs will tell you they're doing it right and the other guys are doing it wrong 'grin',
So I have touched on a lot of things here,
got any thoughts?
On 12/16/2015 4:50 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
am still using it on 32-bit xp on my 10-year old athlon dual core
system; like it a lot. pitty they aren't producing it any longer.
also own vst synthfont.
accessible using Sonar/Reaper/Band in a box.
has a stereo as well as a multi-output mode.
best
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:51 PM
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: hot and fresh from the studio
How cool.
I'm especially tickled that someone besides me is still using the old
live synth pro.
Did you manage to make that old thing work on a 64 bit system, or do
you keep a 32 bit around to run it?
I ran it on xp and 32 bit w7 but it didn't like 64 bit w7.
Too bad, that's a great old stand by and the most accessible font
player we've ever had.
I bought
vst synth font, but I like livesynth pro better.
for some things.
I like it's spring like reverb for guitar and steel guitar solos.
On 12/16/2015 2:41 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
I'm always for colaborations , much more fun and creative.
Keren Teperberg was on the drums and bells/shakers; Reuven on the
buzouki , Banjo , and the ethnic guitar solo in the middle.
was mixed and mastered by Itsik Fridman at Storm studios:
www.stormproductions.co.il
the site is in hebrew; maybe Google Translate will help.
the bass was from one of the soundfont banks around using LiveSynth
pro.
used some instances of the mda-dx10/jx10 synth ,
Native Instruments Pro-53,
BigTick-Audio TickyClav plays the funny melody sound.
rhodes like sound is from the Bigtick-Audio Ep-Station.
a few sounds from NuSofting's Peti and HarpTime vsts.
the middle part sounds using Cakewalk tts-1 , doubled by the
HarpTime vst.
the Airplane effect at the end is from Yamaha tg-55.
speech samples and loops from the web.
best
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:19 AM
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: hot and fresh from the studio
Tell me some of the stuff you used to make it with.
And if you work collaboratively, or is this your own genius?
On 12/15/2015 3:19 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
hi friends
here's another track from the forth coming instrumental project;
it's called "chilling out on the warm sand".
as always , enjoy and feel free to share and comment.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13565682/Chilling-Out-Master.wav
best
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
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