[pure-silver] Re: split tones on cold tone paper w/selenium?
- From: "Eric Neilsen Photo" <ej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:24:22 -0600
eric, This is what I have done in the past with that type of situation. Take
a print and tone it several different way on to the papers that they and you
agree are the standard papers. Once those prints are delivered , those are
the tones that give a good indication, but not an exact indication that the
customer receives. PERIOD. It is only to preserve my sanity. Too many
mouths between too many ears and you get a higher chance of disappointment.
That being said, my regular dilution is 1:9 for quick black impact and
little color shift. What are you supposed to split using only one toner?
Can you use a 1:9 and then come back with a 1:20? well yeah, does it split?
..
Eric Neilsen
Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
www.ericneilsenphotography.com
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[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Nelson
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:10 PM
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: split tones on cold tone paper w/selenium?
That's what I've been reading as well re:the touchy feely part but being the
supplier in this chain my rate is lower than normal and so is my motivation
to pull out all the stops and burn through $4+ a sheet 16x20 paper to
experiment for someone I have no contact with. That and all the reading
(i.e. research) I'd have to do to find a good archival combination.
If they'd come to me directly I'd have proposed something to get what they
are looking for done, but my marching orders are to try for a "split tone"
using just selenium.
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From: Robert Hall <robert.g.hall@xxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:28 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: split tones on cold tone paper w/selenium?
Split would be described -- at least in my mind -- as a tonal shift in
the highlights and one in the shadows.
Selenium, for example works first in the shadows and works it's way
up. Gold and sulfides can work from the top -- or highlights -- down.
Order of application is important. Too much selenium and trying to
bleach it back a bit for sulfides might not work as the selenium has
had time to affect all the silver in the print.
You might try a weakend bleach, say half strength, for 20 seconds,
then a good wash, then a sulfide toning, then let it sit in selenium
for a couple minutes at say, 1:9.
This is very touchy-feely due to the difference in papers and what
toners you use. But it's a good jumping off point.
In case you have a bit more control next time.. ask for warm tone
paper as it accepts toning -- in my opinion -- better than cold tones,
at least it is more responsive.
Robert Hall
www.RobertHall.com
www.RobertHall.com/workshops
www.facebook.com/robert.g.hall
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Eric Nelson <emanmb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ya, exactly.
> I think the client is expecting some difference in color from the use of
one
> toner as opposed to using 2 as one might expect. I also think there's a
> difference between split and combination toning with the effect of a
> combination tone being a 2 color effect like sepia and iron or the like.
> e
>
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> From: Robert Hall <robert.g.hall@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 2:35 PM
> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: split tones on cold tone paper w/selenium?
>
> Split it with what?
>
> You might get some results with sulphides and selenium.
>
> Robert Hall
> www.RobertHall.com
> www.RobertHall.com/workshops
> www.facebook.com/robert.g.hall
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Eric Nelson <emanmb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I've been asked by a lab that I'm a sub-contractor with to do split tones
>> w/selenium on cold toned FB paper.
>>
>> Is that possible? I'm guessing a strong selenium bath of 1:9-ish. The
>> lab
>> I'm doing this for has spent way too much time talking to this client and
>> they kind of guessed the guys doesn't know what he's asking for. My
>> thinking is that a stronger bath with cause the toner to quickly adhere
to
>> the shadows and mids while leaving the lighter tones and highlights
>> unaffected.
>>
>> Eric
>
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