Re: making dynamic menus accessible
- From: Jennifer Sutton <jsuttondc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 06:42:17 -0700
Hi:
Sorry, I've not got time to re-research this issue, but as I said
previously, it's come up a bunch on the WebAIM list, so if you care
to know what a lot of people think (including sighted folks who take
all kinds of disabilities into account), you might check out the archives.
I certainly must have misremembered, and do appreciate your
description, but what I know I do remember is that these kinds of
menus are problematic for some users.
Hopefully, you'll find you've picked the best.
Take a search through this list's archives, starting here:
http://www.webaim.org/discussion/archives.php
and search on phrases like:
accessible dynamic menus
javascript menus
and the like.
The topic comes up fairly frequently, and the short version does seem
to be that nothing's perfect, and that, apparently, includes my memory.
Enjoy your research, should you care to do it.
Jennifer
At 01:57 AM 5/6/2008, you wrote:
Hi Jenifer,
Have you asked a sighted person to test those menus?
I guess you didn't.
Those menus are not seen as a list of lists by a sighted, but as a
simple line with the top menu labels, and if a sighted person hovers
the mouse over one of the menus, the menu opens just like the menus
from a common Windows desktop application.
So the sighted persons don't need to parse the whole list of menu
items as you told.
And from what you said I see that you don't know how other kind of
menus work and how much html code they imply. Most of them use more
Javascript and more HTML for creating the menus, so you can't say
that too much html or javascript code should be downloaded on the
visitor's computer if using this menu type.
From this point of view, maybe the menus generated by some
Javascript libraries like YUI or DOJO may require less code,
because the Javascript code which should be downloaded could be
also used for other things, not only for creating menus, but other
kind of widgets, however unfortunately the menus created with those
libs are not very friendly for the blind.
So I still don't understand what kind of overloading you are talking about.
Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Sutton" <jsuttondc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:22 AM
Subject: making dynamic menus accessible
Hi:
Since the subject is straying far away from asp menu controls, I'm
changing the subject line.
I'm talking about visual and mental overload with the menuing
system you mentioned. All of those lists may be handy for a blind
person, but they're one heckuva lot of text for someone's eyes to
have to look through and/or for someone to process if reading
visually is not their speediest method of access.
These menus are very text-heavy, and my only point is that while
blind folks may love text, not everyone does.
Realizing this requires thinking outside of the blind-folks box
when you're designing a Web site that requires dynamic menus. The
goal should be, in my view, to strike a balance for all audiences.
If you care to research this further, the topic of dynamic
accessible menus has been discussed on the WebAIM list many times.
Jennifer
At 11:35 PM 5/4/2008, you wrote:
Why "overload"?
All the menus which are static, which don't use AJAX for
retrieving dynamicly the elements of a certain menu after clicking
on it, use much more html code than that menu.
I never needed to create dynamicly generated menus by Javascript,
because I always need to use the same set of menus everywhere, and
if I would need something different in a certain page, it is much
more simple to create another template with another menu because I
don't need to create a server side program that provides data with
the menu elements that should be got with an AJAX request.
Octavian
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