There is a podcast on podbean.com showing how to use numbers with voiceover and how to get productivity out of it. I haven't tried it yet, but think I can get sc to build on my mac mini. The sc program is a spreadsheet program installed on slackware and available for other flavors of Linux. Maybe better might be to install R or octave on the mac. The aqua emacs edition for the mac is a slashed and burned version of emacs. So far as I can tell, no gnus, no org-mode, and probably missing lots of other things as well. The org-mode application for emacs I like both for mind mapping and keeping a numerology journal and I'll probably find other things to do with that as I play with it. I use org-mode on slackware 13.0 since it came pre-installed on emacs. If it works though I'll be able to install the current version of org-mode on emacs on my mac though. Have to get dependencies and try it maybe this weekend. Anyone wanting to read about org-mode can do so at http://www.orgmode.org but be warned it's a swiss army knife of utilities and the version number is over 7.0, so you may read a little more than a few minutes on that site. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind