This argument will get you in trouble with devices. The Samsung 640 A is accessible out of the box Samsung made it so. Yes I can use it but they decide what I can use for example the way it reads names is awful. The way you have to deal with contacts makes me pray for a rotary phone. Its cute that you can get the description of the backgrounds like I changed my background to a blue J flying over a field but I couldn't email anyone because they figure I guess that the screen reader doesn't need to work real good in all fields. I spent more time on the phone going up and down arrow because there was no read command for where you are. There didn't seem to be a separate way to tell what time it was or to be able to speed up the speech or slow it down. Its nice of the company to make this phone accessible but maybe there is something to be said for us making screen readers so that it is more than a toy we need tools. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:15 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: black berry accessibility Because I refuse to pay for yet another device and another software package that provides "special" accessibility. I'm perfectly willing to buy a device that has accessibility built-in. Frankly, I'm beginning to be a bit annoyed with the argument that blindness is a small market. Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gabe Vega Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:01 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: black berry accessibility you totallydidn't get my message. I am not asking for rim to bring accessibility to us. because i believe the tools are already there. why aren't we doing it for ourselves? On Nov 3, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Steve Britt wrote: Well, first we have to get the hang of that bitter blackberry taste, lol. No, seriously, folks, a big reason is probably that the blind and disabled communities are seen as too small a market to be bothered with. Start making noise, folks; as the old saying goes, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind