Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11

  • From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:11:24 -0400

Hi: The indentation after the line number sounds like the VS IDE is working as you expect. So, I will have to leave it to you JAWS guys to see if there is a way to find out what is causing the 4 blank cells prior to the line number. It makes little sense to me unless they are some unrecognized graphics that JAWS is just not handling as one might expect.

Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11


I probably explained poorly.
The 4 spaces of indentation works as expected.
I'll try to show it like this:

<4 blank cells><line number 1> Using System;
<4 blank cells><line number 2> class Program
<4 blank cells><line number 3> {
<4 blank cells>< line number 4><4 spaces of indentation>static void Main()
<4 blank cells><line number 5><4 spaces of indentation> {
<4 blank cells><line number 6><8 spaces of indentation>
Console.WriteLine("Hello!");
...

Problem 1: the 4 blank cells at the beginning which is displayed on my
Braille display.
Problem 2: JAWS don't speak the spaces of indentation but displayed
correctly in Braille.






-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: 22. mai 2010 18:11
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11

Hi: Well, good luck with that JAWS thingy. The spaces could be the indicator

margins. I would think it wierd that your 4 spaces of indent would be before

the line numbers since they are not a part of your code block. I do find it
wierd that there are not 4 spaces after the line number and before your code

block though. Tough to say with JAWS because so much is in the scripts.
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11


Hi:
I use 4 spaces indentation.
I think that were the default.
The indentation is showing correctly on my Braille display but JAWS don't
speak 4 spaces.
The 4 spaces to the left of the line number is probably some graphics etc
(as you mention) which JAWS can't handle and therefore I just get 4 blank
cells on the left side.

According to a guy on the program-l list I also need to do some more setup
in the Speech and Sound manager to get JAWS to speak indentation in VS.
I tried that but it didn't work.

Regarding the 4 blank cells to the left he said that it were Indicator and
selection margins.
I unchecked both but it still don't work.

No big deal but I'll experiment some more.

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: 22. mai 2010 14:28
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11

Hi: Do you have the IDE set up to use indenting and how many spaces did you
specify or did you leave it as tab characters or what? That determines the
indentation, along with a couple of other things, of how it is handled.
There are some graphics that are displayed before a line if not turned off
and I am not sure whether you are getting the default 4 spaces for the
indent, an expanded tab option or whether the spaces before the line number
are something else that is just not able to be read by a screen reader or
displayed on a Braille Monitor. The first thing to look at is your IDE
Settings. Have you set them up or are you just using the Defaults? If you
want I will show you how to check them out.
Rick USA


Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:12 AM
Subject: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11


Hi all!

How to make JAWS speak indentation in Visual C# 2008?
I also have a Braille question further down in this message.

When I navigate the code editor JAWS don't speak indentation.
I have installed the additional JAWS scripts for VS 2008.
I have checked the speak indentation option and saved it to the msenv2005
configuration file.

I can see the indentation on my Braille display but I like both Braille
and
speech.
I also see that there are 4 blank cells to the left of the line number
when
navigating the code editor using Braille.
Except the first line where I can read "Program.CS 1 using System;".
The first line is left justified so that the P in Program.cs appear on the
first cell on my Braille display.
But from line 2 there are 4 blank cells then the line number is shown
before
the actual code begins.
I like that the line number is shown on my Braille display but I'm not
sure
why there are 4 blanks cells to the left of it.

Like this:
   2 using System.Collections.Generic;

My second question:
Does all Braille users have this "problem"?
I guess it may be how the code editor is designed and how JAWS outputs it
in
Braille.

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