no, let me check, thanks for the heads up on this. inthane . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at: http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com . to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at: http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: The grabbag site is down! Well I went to the grabbag site and none of the links off of the site work. Is it shut down?