RE: Stock market

  • From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:29:51 -0400

Only if there are programmers on that list with an interest to do
anything with the information, otherwise it's even off topic for the
blindfinance list too. 

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 18:57
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Stock market

I am wondering if this should be on the other list.  I am only
subscribed to 
the programming list, but the thread on stock market has run on all day.

Your post is programming related, but I think your target audience is
the 
blindfinance list.
Just a thought.
Happy hacking.
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Stock market


guys, I can help you in both worlds.
I am usual with Vs and dotnet and also with java and php.
As DBMS I've used sql server, mysql, postgre sql, derby and access.
As a light weight dbms I recomend derby, it can be embeded, or used as a
network server.
Also I can quickly adapt to new technologies.
So, let start together a project, to make an accessible, portable, web
oriented financial analysis tool.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Stock market


> Well, good luck. You know me, an old VS guy and don't know much else.
> Rick USA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
<jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 1:19 PM
> Subject: RE: Stock market
>
>
> I'd like to take it from excel to mysql or postgresql but don't think
> I'll make it there all that easily unless I find some stuff in cpan to
> help out.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:53
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Stock market
>
> OK, if you use Excell does that mean you will be using a MsAccess
> Database as the Data Store?
> Rick USA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
> <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:41 PM
> Subject: RE: Stock market
>
>
> I'll most likely do this with excel or some other spreadsheet program.
> One author to look up to learn technical analysis is Richard Pring.
One
> of the books he wrote shows all kinds of charts in it and gives
> descriptions of those charts and what tends to happen when the
> indicators on those charts get hit.  The book is only available in
print
> and it's a hard cover too.  One other interesting part of that book
> deals with using fast fourier transforms to analyze data on individual
> stocks and industries as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:31
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Stock market
>
> Hay Das: Are you using Excell or is this a Windows or other Language
> project? Just wondering as it sounds interesting and I might want to
add
> it
> to my analysis to watch for possible market changes or individual
issue
> changes by popping up a notification if one of the limits are broken.
It
>
> might just be an interesting thing since I have never gotten much into
> technicals, Fundementals has been my bread and butter, but technicals
> might
> be a good adjunct to them from time to time if I am watching to buy or
> sell
> something.
> Rick USA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
> <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:10 PM
> Subject: RE: Stock market
>
>
> One algorithm in use by chart analyzers these days takes as input 6
> month or 180 day moving average figures then applies the Bollinger
curve
> to that data which removes the central 97.5% of the data.  When moving
> averages either go above or below that 97.5% it's considered a sign
that
> market direction is about to change.  That 97.5% is 3 standard
> deviations and that data gets removed to wipe out the noise.  I
haven't
> got this particular analysis tool working yet.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:03
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Stock market
>
> Hay Black: Send me your email address again. Here is my off-list:
> ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx
> Mabey I am doing something wrong.
> Rick USA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Stock market
>
>
>> what is the matter with the database engine?
>> Can I see that application?
>> Can I help you in develop it further?
>> And to answer a question you've asked before, I didn't received any
> invite
>> in your group.
>> Best Regards
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>
>>
>>>I have a rather massive application for  researching investments
> developed
>>>in  VWD and converted to Vb.net. One version uses Sql Server and the
> other
>>>the Compact edition. I wonder if I made another version if using an
>>>MsAccess DB would let my system be compatable with yours?
>>> Rick USA
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
> <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:23 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Stock market
>>>
>>>
>>> When I last did a software accessibility survey for screen readers
on
>>> financial and stock market analysis software the results were very
>>> disappointing.  When I got into investing I ended up doing my own
>>> spreadsheets to handle what analysis I needed to do on the market.
A
>>> couple things I didn't bother including on any of those spreadsheets
>>> were charts and graphs.  I work better with tables and explicit
> numeric
>>> and percentile ranges though.  I suppose it would be possible to do
>>> histograms and bar graphs with ascii characters on spreadsheets but
I
>>> never got around to doing that.  With some good analysis algorithms,
> it
>>> might be possible to write a few accessible projects along these
> lines
>>> if anyone were interested in doing that.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:08
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>
>>> I hate to rub it in if there is someone here that lost money during
> the
>>> crash, but I had all my retirement in guaranteed interest (cd) funds
> and
>>> no
>>> stock and it stayed pretty much the same while everyone else lost a
> load
>>> of
>>> money. And all the time the investment people were asking me for
>>> permission
>>> to take my savings and invest it. I refused. Well my approach was
> ultra
>>> conservative -- near zero risk. Sometimes that is a good idea. I
> don't
>>> trust
>>> the stock market or the people who want to play with my savings.
>>> (I am letting them invest a little now, but I am so wary they don't
> dare
>>> do
>>> anything to sink my boat...)
>>> Good luck all. Maybe there is dawn on the horizon for the stock
> market,
>>> maybe not. I just hope for the best for the most people.
>>> --le
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:22 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>
>>>
>>> tell that to people that used the system that has worked for over 50
>>> years
>>> and lost half of their 401k when the market crashed.
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>
>>>
>>>> yep, that is a known rule stated as:
>>>> "don't put all of your eggs in the same bag".
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> One point, if you have all your retirement funds in the company
you
>>> work
>>>>> for what happens if they go belly up or can not afford to pay you
> the
>>>>> funds from the   fund when you need them because of som unforseen
>>>>> obligation or default by the companies or funds they have your
> money
>>> in?
>>>>> You are doing  what allot of folks do and it has proven fatle to
> many
>>>>> employees with their retirement funds all in the companies they
> work
>>> for.
>>>>> The only reason to have them invest your funds is if they give you
>>> free
>>>>> money. If they match each dollar you put into their fund with some
> of
>>>>> their own money then you take it, stay in the fund with whatever
> the
>>>>> minimum balance is to keep getting the free money and pull the
> funds
>>> out
>>>>> when you can. You then pick a good investment to store your
>>> retirement
>>>>> funds. You allocate some of them to a fund of broad investments,
> some
>>> to
>>>>> another type of investment like income or commodities funds so
that
>>> if
>>>>> one fund does not do well the other ones will. This does not take
>>> allot
>>>>> of knowledge nor money since most the better retirement vehicles
> have
>>> low
>>>>> investment requirements, offer good management and you look for
> ones
>>> with
>>>>> the lowest fees. Look at gthe Vanguard Group. When almost all the
>>> other
>>>>> major brokerage house were skimming pennies from their clients
>>> Vanguard
>>>>> was not. There was another instance where the Investment companies
>>> were
>>>>> involved in some shady transactions but Vanguard stayed out. Most
>>>>> recently many of the Major players had leveraged their funds
beyond
>>> good
>>>>> sense and used higher risk investments to get returns. Vanguard
did
>>> not.
>>>>> There are some big ones like Fidelity and a few others who have
had
>>> some
>>>>> shady stuff but have remained mostely clean and the funds of
really
>>> hard
>>>>> hit companies like Hartford and others are rated as pretty safe
but
>>> they
>>>>> hold allot of bad debt so who knows. The trick is to find the best
> 3
>>> fund
>>>>> families, or one good one, then spred your money out over 3 or 4
>>> funds
>>>>> that use diferent asset classes. An Asset class is like common
> stocks
>>> for
>>>>> growth, Common Stocks for dividends, bonds, trusts, International
> or
>>>>> Global and Commodities. That gives you the best chance of retiring
>>> with a
>>>>> bunch of money. Youdid what allot of folks did. You took a flyer,
> hit
>>> it
>>>>> big, $300 on a small trade sounds big if it is made in a day on a
>>> small
>>>>> investment, and then thought you could do that all the time. The
>>> Gambling
>>>>> casinos make money whether suckers win or lose, so do all the
>>> companies
>>>>> on Wall Street that you pay to invest your funds.
>>>>> If you have less than say $10,000 I would just use  one of the
>>> Vanguard
>>>>> funds, likely 2 or 3 by putting $2,000 to $3,000 in each of 3
funds
>>> to
>>>>> diversify your asset classes. Then periodically I would pull money
>>> out of
>>>>> my retirement fund at work and allocate it to my new funds. That
is
>>> if
>>>>> you can do that without taking too much a hit.
>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and that is why I have decided to leave the investment to
the
>>>>>> company
>>>>>> managing my retirement money -- I once decided to try day
trading,
>>> got
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> account on an investment site and took out an IRA to invest for
>>>>>> starters. I
>>>>>> started getting all this email on good stock picks -- I mean,
>>> companies
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> never heard of, penny stocks, etc. I bought a bunch of shares on
> one
>>> and
>>>>>> made $300 in a week and was feeling good about that -- but then I
>>> got
>>>>>> involved in other things and left it sitting, and in the end when
> I
>>> went
>>>>>> back, the company had gone belly up and I lost the entire amount.
>>>>>> So if you don't spend a good amount of time researching you can
> get
>>>>>> bitten.
>>>>>> I chose to let someone else spend the time...
>>>>>> That is my warning to anyone starting.
>>>>>> Happy stock picking...
>>>>>> --le
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:17 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Black: Right on. Read, learn and practice for at least a year
>>> before
>>>>>> plopping any real mony down. There are real dangers out there and
>>> those
>>>>>> guys
>>>>>> are looking for beginners who understand a little about how the
>>> market
>>>>>> works
>>>>>> and Financials and Business Processes. They feast on these folks!
>>>>>> The one truism in it all is, you stand to make a return based on
> how
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> risk you are willing to take. That is if you can believe the
>>> Financials
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the folks putting them out for the various companies. That is
> where
>>>>>> history
>>>>>> and reputation comes into play. There are the day traders as well
>>> and
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> don't care anything about a company, tnot what it does or what
> their
>>>>>> Balance
>>>>>> Sheet looks like or if they even post one, just how the stock
> price
>>> and
>>>>>> volume appear according to a chart or how it is trending in daily
>>>>>> trading if
>>>>>> they use automated trading platforms.
>>>>>> I think it is a very good thing for young folks to invest because
>>> they
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> see massive positive results over their working lives but they
> need
>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> careful, do their homework and pick stocks, bonds, real estate
> and,
>>> or
>>>>>> funds
>>>>>> carefully and keep informed about what is going on with every
>>> investment
>>>>>> periodically.Black, you should join the blindfinance list as well
> if
>>> you
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> an investor since there are some pretty experienced blind folks
>>> floating
>>>>>> around there.
>>>>>> It is usually a very quiet list unless someone has a question
> about
>>>>>> something.
>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:48 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't university education for investing is true, but you
> need
>>>>>>> education for investing this is also true.
>>>>>>> So, if you don't have the oportunity to learn those things in
the
>>>>>>> university, you must take in your own hands the trouble with
>>> educate
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> self in that direction.
>>>>>>> Depends what you want to do.
>>>>>>> If you want let other to play with your money, you can go on the
>>> mutual
>>>>>>> funds way.
>>>>>>> The is a little risk, but the gains are on the same way, small.
>>>>>>> If you want to manipulate your own money and you want this if
you
>>> want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> earn much, you must be financial educated. You must know to
>>> interpret
>>>>>>> financial statements, to compute interests like roa, roe etc.
>>>>>>> To be business educated, to understand business processes.
>>>>>>> For example, when a company fires employees, the productivity
>>>>>>> temporarily
>>>>>>> encrease and so the stock price.
>>>>>>> Best way to go, is to financial educate and business educate, to
>>> test
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> skills in a real environment, but only to simulate, not to play
>>> real.
>>>>>>> After I will start a small business, I would encrease it, go
with
>>> it
>>>>>>> public and finally sell it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 5:25 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nonsense! There is absolutely  no reason for a University
>>> Education to
>>>>>>>> invest in the Stock market.
>>>>>>>> It might help with technical analysis or fundemental analysis
> but
>>> 99
>>>>>>>> percent of investors invest in commercially available products
> or
>>> pick
>>>>>>>> stocks based on recommendations or other things. ETFs, Funds
and
>>>>>>>> Mutual
>>>>>>>> funds are the only way to go for a small investor and they pay
>>> many
>>>>>>>> thousands, millions, to people who have the formal Education to
>>> pick
>>>>>>>> individual stocks.
>>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
>>>>>>>> <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:03 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Stock market
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A college course on Investing is going to be your best bet for
>>> several
>>>>>>>> reasons.  A course on consumer awareness would be a fine
>>> prerequisite
>>>>>>>> along with a year of statistics to that investment course.
>>>>>>>> Publications
>>>>>>>> that teach you how to read and interpret a balance sheet will
> come
>>> in
>>>>>>>> useful along the way too.  Anything else you do outside of a
>>> college
>>>>>>>> setting will be aimed at sales and have their own agendas to
> push.
>>>>>>>> Young students traditionally haven't got much to invest so the
>>> sales
>>>>>>>> pitches tend to get turned off when that crowd gets taught.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Celia
>>>>>>>> Rodriguez
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:19
>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: Stock market
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the off the subject topic, but I am
>>>>>>>> interested in the stock market.  I only have one little tiny,
>>> problem,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> know nothing about the subject. I would like to start
> researching
>>> the
>>>>>>>> subject, but I do not know where to begin.  If someone can
point
>>> me in
>>>>>>>> the right direction I would greatly appreciate it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have any suggestions or tips can you
>>>>>>>> please write me off line at celia-rodriguez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Celia
>>>>>>>>
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