RE: Stock market

  • From: Johannes Grib <johannesg@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:29:59 +0200

Ok, then I feel comfortable asking if any one have experience creating a forex 
trade robot.  Which Trade software is accessible, especially for writing such 
scripts?


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:52 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Stock market

Hi: Talking about creating computer programming technicals to implement
Stocks logic should be on topic. Just stay away from talking about the
market or stocks and philosophy. Keep questions about programming the logic,
what software to use and all that jazz. A couple of the folks on Blind
Finance  use Excell but I am pretty much the only programmer, there might be
a couple more, but that list is pretty much non computer related and
discussions are about investing and banking.
I should guess that talking about how to code up a math function or how to
design or code other financial applications would be on topic for this list.
If not the lList Manager will give us a shout out.
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: Stock market


> it isn't.
> Escuse me if my e-mail is oftopic.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Stock market
>
>
>>I am wondering if this should be on the other list.  I am only subscribed
>>to
>> the programming list, but the thread on stock market has run on all day.
>> Your post is programming related, but I think your target audience is the
>> blindfinance list.
>> Just a thought.
>> Happy hacking.
>> --le
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 1:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>
>>
>> guys, I can help you in both worlds.
>> I am usual with Vs and dotnet and also with java and php.
>> As DBMS I've used sql server, mysql, postgre sql, derby and access.
>> As a light weight dbms I recomend derby, it can be embeded, or used as a
>> network server.
>> Also I can quickly adapt to new technologies.
>> So, let start together a project, to make an accessible, portable, web
>> oriented financial analysis tool.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>
>>
>>> Well, good luck. You know me, an old VS guy and don't know much else.
>>> Rick USA
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
>>> <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 1:19 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Stock market
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to take it from excel to mysql or postgresql but don't think
>>> I'll make it there all that easily unless I find some stuff in cpan to
>>> help out.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:53
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>
>>> OK, if you use Excell does that mean you will be using a MsAccess
>>> Database as the Data Store?
>>> Rick USA
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
>>> <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:41 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Stock market
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll most likely do this with excel or some other spreadsheet program.
>>> One author to look up to learn technical analysis is Richard Pring.  One
>>> of the books he wrote shows all kinds of charts in it and gives
>>> descriptions of those charts and what tends to happen when the
>>> indicators on those charts get hit.  The book is only available in print
>>> and it's a hard cover too.  One other interesting part of that book
>>> deals with using fast fourier transforms to analyze data on individual
>>> stocks and industries as well.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:31
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>
>>> Hay Das: Are you using Excell or is this a Windows or other Language
>>> project? Just wondering as it sounds interesting and I might want to add
>>> it
>>> to my analysis to watch for possible market changes or individual issue
>>> changes by popping up a notification if one of the limits are broken. It
>>>
>>> might just be an interesting thing since I have never gotten much into
>>> technicals, Fundementals has been my bread and butter, but technicals
>>> might
>>> be a good adjunct to them from time to time if I am watching to buy or
>>> sell
>>> something.
>>> Rick USA
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
>>> <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:10 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Stock market
>>>
>>>
>>> One algorithm in use by chart analyzers these days takes as input 6
>>> month or 180 day moving average figures then applies the Bollinger curve
>>> to that data which removes the central 97.5% of the data.  When moving
>>> averages either go above or below that 97.5% it's considered a sign that
>>> market direction is about to change.  That 97.5% is 3 standard
>>> deviations and that data gets removed to wipe out the noise.  I haven't
>>> got this particular analysis tool working yet.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:03
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>
>>> Hay Black: Send me your email address again. Here is my off-list:
>>> ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Mabey I am doing something wrong.
>>> Rick USA
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>
>>>
>>>> what is the matter with the database engine?
>>>> Can I see that application?
>>>> Can I help you in develop it further?
>>>> And to answer a question you've asked before, I didn't received any
>>> invite
>>>> in your group.
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:26 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have a rather massive application for  researching investments
>>> developed
>>>>>in  VWD and converted to Vb.net. One version uses Sql Server and the
>>> other
>>>>>the Compact edition. I wonder if I made another version if using an
>>>>>MsAccess DB would let my system be compatable with yours?
>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
>>> <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:23 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Stock market
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I last did a software accessibility survey for screen readers on
>>>>> financial and stock market analysis software the results were very
>>>>> disappointing.  When I got into investing I ended up doing my own
>>>>> spreadsheets to handle what analysis I needed to do on the market.  A
>>>>> couple things I didn't bother including on any of those spreadsheets
>>>>> were charts and graphs.  I work better with tables and explicit
>>> numeric
>>>>> and percentile ranges though.  I suppose it would be possible to do
>>>>> histograms and bar graphs with ascii characters on spreadsheets but I
>>>>> never got around to doing that.  With some good analysis algorithms,
>>> it
>>>>> might be possible to write a few accessible projects along these
>>> lines
>>>>> if anyone were interested in doing that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:08
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate to rub it in if there is someone here that lost money during
>>> the
>>>>> crash, but I had all my retirement in guaranteed interest (cd) funds
>>> and
>>>>> no
>>>>> stock and it stayed pretty much the same while everyone else lost a
>>> load
>>>>> of
>>>>> money. And all the time the investment people were asking me for
>>>>> permission
>>>>> to take my savings and invest it. I refused. Well my approach was
>>> ultra
>>>>> conservative -- near zero risk. Sometimes that is a good idea. I
>>> don't
>>>>> trust
>>>>> the stock market or the people who want to play with my savings.
>>>>> (I am letting them invest a little now, but I am so wary they don't
>>> dare
>>>>> do
>>>>> anything to sink my boat...)
>>>>> Good luck all. Maybe there is dawn on the horizon for the stock
>>> market,
>>>>> maybe not. I just hope for the best for the most people.
>>>>> --le
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:22 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> tell that to people that used the system that has worked for over 50
>>>>> years
>>>>> and lost half of their 401k when the market crashed.
>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> yep, that is a known rule stated as:
>>>>>> "don't put all of your eggs in the same bag".
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:19 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One point, if you have all your retirement funds in the company you
>>>>> work
>>>>>>> for what happens if they go belly up or can not afford to pay you
>>> the
>>>>>>> funds from the   fund when you need them because of som unforseen
>>>>>>> obligation or default by the companies or funds they have your
>>> money
>>>>> in?
>>>>>>> You are doing  what allot of folks do and it has proven fatle to
>>> many
>>>>>>> employees with their retirement funds all in the companies they
>>> work
>>>>> for.
>>>>>>> The only reason to have them invest your funds is if they give you
>>>>> free
>>>>>>> money. If they match each dollar you put into their fund with some
>>> of
>>>>>>> their own money then you take it, stay in the fund with whatever
>>> the
>>>>>>> minimum balance is to keep getting the free money and pull the
>>> funds
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> when you can. You then pick a good investment to store your
>>>>> retirement
>>>>>>> funds. You allocate some of them to a fund of broad investments,
>>> some
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> another type of investment like income or commodities funds so that
>>>>> if
>>>>>>> one fund does not do well the other ones will. This does not take
>>>>> allot
>>>>>>> of knowledge nor money since most the better retirement vehicles
>>> have
>>>>> low
>>>>>>> investment requirements, offer good management and you look for
>>> ones
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the lowest fees. Look at gthe Vanguard Group. When almost all the
>>>>> other
>>>>>>> major brokerage house were skimming pennies from their clients
>>>>> Vanguard
>>>>>>> was not. There was another instance where the Investment companies
>>>>> were
>>>>>>> involved in some shady transactions but Vanguard stayed out. Most
>>>>>>> recently many of the Major players had leveraged their funds beyond
>>>>> good
>>>>>>> sense and used higher risk investments to get returns. Vanguard did
>>>>> not.
>>>>>>> There are some big ones like Fidelity and a few others who have had
>>>>> some
>>>>>>> shady stuff but have remained mostely clean and the funds of really
>>>>> hard
>>>>>>> hit companies like Hartford and others are rated as pretty safe but
>>>>> they
>>>>>>> hold allot of bad debt so who knows. The trick is to find the best
>>> 3
>>>>> fund
>>>>>>> families, or one good one, then spred your money out over 3 or 4
>>>>> funds
>>>>>>> that use diferent asset classes. An Asset class is like common
>>> stocks
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> growth, Common Stocks for dividends, bonds, trusts, International
>>> or
>>>>>>> Global and Commodities. That gives you the best chance of retiring
>>>>> with a
>>>>>>> bunch of money. Youdid what allot of folks did. You took a flyer,
>>> hit
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> big, $300 on a small trade sounds big if it is made in a day on a
>>>>> small
>>>>>>> investment, and then thought you could do that all the time. The
>>>>> Gambling
>>>>>>> casinos make money whether suckers win or lose, so do all the
>>>>> companies
>>>>>>> on Wall Street that you pay to invest your funds.
>>>>>>> If you have less than say $10,000 I would just use  one of the
>>>>> Vanguard
>>>>>>> funds, likely 2 or 3 by putting $2,000 to $3,000 in each of 3 funds
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> diversify your asset classes. Then periodically I would pull money
>>>>> out of
>>>>>>> my retirement fund at work and allocate it to my new funds. That is
>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you can do that without taking too much a hit.
>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:04 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, and that is why I have decided to leave the investment to the
>>>>>>>> company
>>>>>>>> managing my retirement money -- I once decided to try day trading,
>>>>> got
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> account on an investment site and took out an IRA to invest for
>>>>>>>> starters. I
>>>>>>>> started getting all this email on good stock picks -- I mean,
>>>>> companies
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> never heard of, penny stocks, etc. I bought a bunch of shares on
>>> one
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> made $300 in a week and was feeling good about that -- but then I
>>>>> got
>>>>>>>> involved in other things and left it sitting, and in the end when
>>> I
>>>>> went
>>>>>>>> back, the company had gone belly up and I lost the entire amount.
>>>>>>>> So if you don't spend a good amount of time researching you can
>>> get
>>>>>>>> bitten.
>>>>>>>> I chose to let someone else spend the time...
>>>>>>>> That is my warning to anyone starting.
>>>>>>>> Happy stock picking...
>>>>>>>> --le
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:17 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Black: Right on. Read, learn and practice for at least a year
>>>>> before
>>>>>>>> plopping any real mony down. There are real dangers out there and
>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>> are looking for beginners who understand a little about how the
>>>>> market
>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>> and Financials and Business Processes. They feast on these folks!
>>>>>>>> The one truism in it all is, you stand to make a return based on
>>> how
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> risk you are willing to take. That is if you can believe the
>>>>> Financials
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the folks putting them out for the various companies. That is
>>> where
>>>>>>>> history
>>>>>>>> and reputation comes into play. There are the day traders as well
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> don't care anything about a company, tnot what it does or what
>>> their
>>>>>>>> Balance
>>>>>>>> Sheet looks like or if they even post one, just how the stock
>>> price
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> volume appear according to a chart or how it is trending in daily
>>>>>>>> trading if
>>>>>>>> they use automated trading platforms.
>>>>>>>> I think it is a very good thing for young folks to invest because
>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> see massive positive results over their working lives but they
>>> need
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> careful, do their homework and pick stocks, bonds, real estate
>>> and,
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> funds
>>>>>>>> carefully and keep informed about what is going on with every
>>>>> investment
>>>>>>>> periodically.Black, you should join the blindfinance list as well
>>> if
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> an investor since there are some pretty experienced blind folks
>>>>> floating
>>>>>>>> around there.
>>>>>>>> It is usually a very quiet list unless someone has a question
>>> about
>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:48 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You don't university education for investing is true, but you
>>> need
>>>>>>>>> education for investing this is also true.
>>>>>>>>> So, if you don't have the oportunity to learn those things in the
>>>>>>>>> university, you must take in your own hands the trouble with
>>>>> educate
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> self in that direction.
>>>>>>>>> Depends what you want to do.
>>>>>>>>> If you want let other to play with your money, you can go on the
>>>>> mutual
>>>>>>>>> funds way.
>>>>>>>>> The is a little risk, but the gains are on the same way, small.
>>>>>>>>> If you want to manipulate your own money and you want this if you
>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> earn much, you must be financial educated. You must know to
>>>>> interpret
>>>>>>>>> financial statements, to compute interests like roa, roe etc.
>>>>>>>>> To be business educated, to understand business processes.
>>>>>>>>> For example, when a company fires employees, the productivity
>>>>>>>>> temporarily
>>>>>>>>> encrease and so the stock price.
>>>>>>>>> Best way to go, is to financial educate and business educate, to
>>>>> test
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> skills in a real environment, but only to simulate, not to play
>>>>> real.
>>>>>>>>> After I will start a small business, I would encrease it, go with
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> public and finally sell it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 5:25 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stock market
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense! There is absolutely  no reason for a University
>>>>> Education to
>>>>>>>>>> invest in the Stock market.
>>>>>>>>>> It might help with technical analysis or fundemental analysis
>>> but
>>>>> 99
>>>>>>>>>> percent of investors invest in commercially available products
>>> or
>>>>> pick
>>>>>>>>>> stocks based on recommendations or other things. ETFs, Funds and
>>>>>>>>>> Mutual
>>>>>>>>>> funds are the only way to go for a small investor and they pay
>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>> thousands, millions, to people who have the formal Education to
>>>>> pick
>>>>>>>>>> individual stocks.
>>>>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26"
>>>>>>>>>> <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:03 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Stock market
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A college course on Investing is going to be your best bet for
>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>> reasons.  A course on consumer awareness would be a fine
>>>>> prerequisite
>>>>>>>>>> along with a year of statistics to that investment course.
>>>>>>>>>> Publications
>>>>>>>>>> that teach you how to read and interpret a balance sheet will
>>> come
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> useful along the way too.  Anything else you do outside of a
>>>>> college
>>>>>>>>>> setting will be aimed at sales and have their own agendas to
>>> push.
>>>>>>>>>> Young students traditionally haven't got much to invest so the
>>>>> sales
>>>>>>>>>> pitches tend to get turned off when that crowd gets taught.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>> Celia
>>>>>>>>>> Rodriguez
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:19
>>>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Stock market
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the off the subject topic, but I am
>>>>>>>>>> interested in the stock market.  I only have one little tiny,
>>>>> problem,
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> know nothing about the subject. I would like to start
>>> researching
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> subject, but I do not know where to begin.  If someone can point
>>>>> me in
>>>>>>>>>> the right direction I would greatly appreciate it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you have any suggestions or tips can you
>>>>>>>>>> please write me off line at celia-rodriguez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Celia
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