RE: Java accessibility

  • From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:26:07 -0500

Hi Jay,

Please call me at 913-339-9114. 

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macarty, Jay
{PBSG}
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:22 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Java accessibility

Susie,

I have been working closely with GW over the past few months on the Java
accessibility for Window-Eyes. At this particular stage, the access tool
I have written is their only working approach to java access. Thus, if
suggestions are made to GW regarding java access, they will ultimately
come back to me. I don't mind that but just wanted to make you aware
that it is fine to pass along any comments or questions regarding java
access in Window-Eyes directly to me or through GW either one.

I started out much in the same way you are describing with java about 11
years ago when java was still very young. I didn't try to work on the
GUI side but concentrated more on persistence layer development and on
server-side web applications using servlets (that was back in the day
before Java Server Pages or any of the other server-side technologies
they have now).

When I came to work here at PepsiCo, I had to deal with my first full
desktop java application which used a swing-based GUI. 

Hope to have the chance to meet you at the NFB convention. 


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel,
Susan - Kansas City, MO
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:18 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Java accessibility

Hi Everyone,

I am just beginning my work in Java. This is the first time I will have
actual work. I will be attending the National Federation of the Blind
convention in July. What I would like to know about is if there are
requests we need to make of G.W. Micro or Freedom Scientific regarding
Java. My boss wanted me on the GUI part, but I thought I could do better
work working on the persistance layer. I am the Treasurer of the
computer science division of the federation.

Susie Stanzel
Programmer United States Department of Agriculture 

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holdsworth,
Lynn
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:52 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Java accessibility

Hi all,

Thanks for such a bounty of useful info.

Having experienced first-hand the flakiness of Java, the AccessBridge
and Jaws working (or not) together, which had quite a serious impact on
my ability to do my job, I think I'll give SWT a shot and see if Jaws is
happier with that approach.

Thanks again, Lynn

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macarty, Jay
{PBSG}
Sent: 29 April 2009 15:18
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Java accessibility

Lynn,
If you are writing your own apps and have the flexibility to include SWT
as a part of them, that is great from an accessibility perspective. If,
however, your project requirements demand the use of swing, there are
guidelines published by IBM to aid in writing accessible applications.
These guidelines, in themselves, don't make java swing accessible;
however, they do make it easier for adaptive technologies like the Java
Access Bridge or WE4Java to make the most out of swing. The guidelines
include things like including accessible descriptions for icons and
making sure components like menu bar items can be triggered by the
keyboard (e.g., pressing alt+f for the file menu). The guidelines also
include suggestions on using the setLabelFor method to associate text
fields with labels and for using the AccessibleRelationship
functionality. 

You can read more about the guidelines and other accessibility info from
IBM on their website at http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/

And the java guidelines are at
http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/java/snsjavagaccapi.html


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Fred Rains
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 6:43 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Java accessibility

Lynn, The alternative is SWT.  It stands for Standard Widget Toolkit.  I
don't use it, so I can't tell you anything else about it.

Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:29 AM
Subject: Java accessibility


Hi all,

Apologies - I know this question has been asked a lot of times, but I
don't know how to get into the list archives.

I'm keen to learn Java, and obviously want to make my apps as accessible
as possible. I remember reading on this list a while back that Swing
isn't the best way to go, but can't remember what the suggested
alternative was. Can someone give me a heads-up?

Thanks as always, Lynn


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