RE: FW: Silverlight accessibility (fwd)
- From: "Manish Agrawal" <manish10@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:16:06 +0530
Hey,
I happened to try jfw 11.0.1430 with a silverlight application I was
creating and was surprised to find that there has been a huge improvement in
jaws in terms of reading silverlight content.
Now, I can get to almost the entire silverlight content in a Web page. The
access was slow and flaky (some items were unnecessarily being repeated).
Table reading was also flaky in that only up and down arrows allowed me to
read contents cell by cell.
Regardless, this is a huge improvement over anything else that I've seen so
far.
-Manish
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:04 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: FW: Silverlight accessibility (fwd)
As the single user license supposedly allows you to license up to three
machines, I took that as so long as the license hasn't been published to the
web it can mean any three machines; even friend's machines are acceptable.
But this doesn't seem to be the case; you appear to must own the machines
you license. I can understand where they are coming from but they should
make this clear. Instead they punish innocent users by either restricting
the number of keys allowed or disable the license altogether.
The reason I had this problem was because on one of the machines it failed
to authorize. They soon found out that the friend was using my license,
which I will confess she did, as she didn't have the money to buy JAWS at
the time. Now she has her own dongle authorization and she's happy. But I
still can't get to terms with the punishment. This is why I may change to
the dongle once my SMA expires, the other reason being I may have to work
with multiple computers as part of my technical support prospects.
Hope this answers your queries.
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From: "Adrian Beech" <a.beech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:46 AM
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: FW: Silverlight accessibility (fwd)
> Chris,
>
> What mistakes did you make with regards the way you used your single user
> license? One of the really irritating things I find with JAWS ILM
> licensing
> is when you're testing applications in a VM and need to change the
> configuration, i.e. memory, number of CPU's, etc. There are ways around
> it
> like getting a 1 seat network license or a dongle though. Just curious
> that's all.
>
> Cheers.
> AB
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
> Hallsworth
> Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 1:48 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: FW: Silverlight accessibility (fwd)
>
> After my SMA expires or before then I will upgrade to JAWS Professional,
> have one or both features enabled, change my ILM license to a dongle, and
> that's it; I can leave FS alone. I probably won't renew my SMA either. I
> know I made mistakes in how I handled my single user license, but all they
> will do for me now is give me one key, not three but one, upon request, at
> least every sixty days. If they have made the single user license terms
> clearer then all this would have not happened. Off my soapbox.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:01 AM
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: FW: Silverlight accessibility (fwd)
>
>> Here is what 90% of FS listens to when it comes to accessibility.
>> Those that pay for the program, but they don't use the program.
>> Those that use the program 10% and some put on black lists and given hard
>> times about getting keys renewed.
>> Do you think if those that do use it paid for it. Would of bought
>> something that is worse then one for free?
>> Money talks and those that use the program ain't got the money to buy it.
>> That is why it is what it is. They keep it that way, because there really
>> ain't much better out there to use. And sheep fallow sheep!
>>
>> At 02:36 PM 4/12/2010, you wrote:
>>>*sigh* someone hand me a brick and point me at the FS big wigs, no
>>>actually, make that a battering ram, hitting them in the head with a
>>>brick
>
>>>would have little effect obviously!
>>>
>>>elf
>>>"Three things that should NEVER! be brought together; a laptop computer,
>>>a
>
>>>full cup of coffee, and a sneeze!"
>>>- Unknown Author-
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Cc: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:59 AM
>>>Subject: Re: FW: Silverlight accessibility (fwd)
>>>
>>>
>>>>The message with my screen reader comparisons was included (and still is
>>>>at the bottom of this message). It was not far down, so if they had
>>>>real
>
>>>>interest in the topic, it would have been found. In fact, the only
>>>>message in this chain that explained the JAWS problem also made
>>>>comparisons with Window-Eyes and NVDA.
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately, however, it appears that those comparisons were ignored.
>>>>No explanation was offerred as to why JAWS works worse than other screen
>>>>readers with Silverlight. Also, no explanation was given as to why JAWS
>>>>does not work with other Silverlight controls besides the TextBox one
>>>>that was mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>Jamal
>>>>
>>>>On 4/6/2010 8:52 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
>>>>>Did you respond with how NVDA works with it or how windoweyes at least
>>>>>does more than jaws?
>>>>>
>>>>>Take care,
>>>>>Sina
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
>>>>>Mazrui
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:58 PM
>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: Fwd: FW: Silverlight accessibility (fwd)
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is the response I got from FS on this topic.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jamal
>>>>>-------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>Subject: FW: Silverlight accessibility (fwd)
>>>>>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 23:55:02 -0400
>>>>>From: Freedom Scientific Support<support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Reply-To:<support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Organization: Freedom Scientific
>>>>>To:<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>CC: EResponse<E_Response@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Jamal
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you for contacting Freedom Scientific technical Support.
>>>>>SilverLight's accessibility does not include support for text edit
>>>>>areas. This is the reason for the JAWSR screen reading software issues
>>>>>with SilverLight. If I can be of any additional assistance
>>>>>to you, feel free to email me back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be sure to include all previous correspondence pertaining to this
>>>>> matter when replying to this message so that we might better
>>>>>assist you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>Mr. Tracey Jackson,
>>>>>Technical Support Specialist
>>>>>Freedom Scientific
>>>>>
>>>>>Phone support: 727 803 8600, option #2
>>>>>E-mail Support:
>>>>>support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Visit our website at:
>>>>>http://www.freedomscientific.com/
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 2:43 PM
>>>>>To: Freedom Scientific Technical Support; Eric Damery
>>>>>Subject: Re: Silverlight accessibility (fwd)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:10:03 -0500
>>>>>From: qubit<lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: Re: Silverlight accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Jamal -- Perhaps this is an afterthought, but have you forwarded
>>>>>this
>
>>>>>information to FS support? (They have enough to deal with
>>>>>with the stuff I have forwarded to them, but maybe this is something
>>>>>that needs to be
>>>>>addressed.)
>>>>>--le
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To:<JAWSScripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;<ProgrammingBlind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:54 AM
>>>>>Subject: Silverlight accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>FYI: I just tried the following Silverlight site with the latest
>>>>>versions of three screen readers:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=wisyou
>>>>>
>>>>>It seemed to work well with NVDA 2010.1, worked partially with
>>>>>Window-Eyes
>>>>>7.2 public beta 1, and did not work at all with JAWS 11.0.756.
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought one of the major feature enhancements of JAWS 11 is support
>>>>>for UIA, the accessibility API that Silverlight uses instead
>>>>>of MSAA (Silverlight controls are a subset of Windows Presentation
>>>>>Foundation, the successor to Windows Forms in the .NET
>>>>>Framework). Is some kind of manual configuration needed to make the
>>>>>latest JAWS work with Silverlight? I tried both IE 7 and
>>>>>Firefox 3.6.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jamal
>>>>>
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>> trouble
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