RE: Dynamic active content
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 06:21:52 -0700
Watch all the videos they are making a web screen reader that can also deal
with active content something none of the screen readers do well now. It
will be released this month and then we can see if they did it or it was
just a students pipe dream.
Ken
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:18 PM
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Subject: Re: Dynamic active content
Well, I guess we're all screwed. The brain devotes so much more neural
activity to vision. I might as well give up now and just doomsay on the
internet.
What does this accomplish? You're not telling us anything we don't already
know. When it comes to working with interfaces made specifically for the
sighted, obviously we are going to have additional hurdles to overcome, just
as they would if we put them in a position where they as a sighted person
had to use an interface initially made for a blind person. I'm just saying
that if you know what they are, you have a few advantages of your own you
can use. Do they completely offset? No. But with your being so quick to
point out how far behind we are, I think it good practice to assess how far
we've come. You're not going to solve all these quandaries in one, glorious
moment of brilliance.
Jared
Matthew2007 wrote:
> Regarding your comment in relation to the acquisition of information
> via 2 different mediums, just so you know, your brain devotes more
> neural territory to vision than all your other 5 senses combined. This
> of course means we're at a great disadvantage with sighted friends,
> colleagues, and Indian chiefs. Turn to your right and use your ears
> and hands to describe as much as you can, then ask a sighted person to
> do the same. Who do you think will have more detailed information at a
> blink of an eye? Now go to the window and repeat the process. Get the
> idea?
>
> Matthew
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright"
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Dynamic active content
>
>
>> I think what you're forgetting is that I'd say on a scale of 1 to 10
>> the entire world is probably at about a 4 when it comes to the
>> ability to quickly and efficiently acquire information from the
>> internet. I have no real statistical numbers, it just seems a little
>> strange the disadvantage you seem to think we are in. I'm not saying
>> there isn't work to be done, but there're lots of things on the
>> internet (buying items on Amazon being one of them, actually) that I
>> know I can do not at the equivalent speed as a sighted user, but
>> faster in many instances. A lot of times people try to transfer
>> techniques for browsing pages from the sighted world to the blind
>> one, I feel. If more blind people were to be taught, or just stopped
>> to think, how powerful a feature it is it is for your screen reader
>> to run a search on a web page and place the cursor where the search
>> hits in its respective browse buffer for example.. I think you'd see
>> more more blind web users be even more successful on a number of
>> sites. Your Amazon experiences are very strange to me, as that is one
>> of the sites that I feel with familiarity I can browse faster than
>> sighted peers. I would agree that first time visits to a website
>> might be more inefficient for us, but I think we can more greatly
>> optimize our experience with a given website with increased
>> familiarity to its content. These are just the pros and cons
>> associated with getting the same information through two distinctly
>> different mediums.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>> Matthew2007 wrote:
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the information. More confirming information that blind
>>> people are truly at a great disadvantage when it comes to
>>> interacting with the many different types of WebPages on the
>>> internet. Had the presenter not specified many of these interface
>>> problems I would have never considered just how slow computing is
>>> for blind individuals. So far, it appears that from a scale of 1 to
>>> 10, the average blind web user is probably lingering in at about a 3
>>> when it comes to quickly accessing information on the web. Just this
>>> past week I asked my wife to help me make a purchase on Amazon.com.
>>> I was in a hurry and didn't want to have to read through a mess of
>>> information. She found and purchased the item I was looking for
>>> within some 10 minutes. It would have easily taken me over an hour
>>> due to the size of the pages on the web site as well as the amount
>>> of extraneous information the blind user must wade through as we
>>> have to read from top to bottom or search around for various
>>> keywords to get at desired information. I've been buying from Amazon
>>> and other similar sites on the web for years, so its not me as much
>>> as how I must interact with a website even using the most current
>>> screen reader.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry"
>>> <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:03 PM
>>> Subject: Dynamic active content
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have been talking about menus and other dynamic content so I
>>>> thought it would be important to post the new Web anywhere screen
>>>> reader that will work on any device that has a web browser and can
>>>> play music. This is just one video and it should be release this
>>>> month if it hasn't already been released.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpmB2DLrkTE
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>
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