Re: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to know!

I agree with ken on this, though all deserve a resounding hand of applause, 
thanks, and even some cash if it could be razed, the order in which ken 
presented it, with Jamal at the top position is the way I would put it.  

my only thought is that Jamal would have a better bar on who did exactly what, 
since there was work off the lists so I for one don't know exactly how much 
came from who, and ken's motivation was the crux pin of the whole thing, with 
as noted Jamal taking it and running for the score

take care, 
inthane
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  From: Ken Perry 
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:17 PM
  Subject: RE: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to know!




  I think will and travis need to be switched in fact it should be Jamal, 
Travis, Will, and then the rest the order looks fine.  I could say I should be 
first because I doubt with out me all this would have got thrown together to 
start with it seemed everyone before me was working on their own thing and 
after I got things together jamal has done the lions share.  Travis had the 
most code when I got the stuff started and Will had the next largest bit of 
code before Jamal jumped into it and Jamal has surpassed I think both Travis 
and will in the end.  Not only that but Jamal has made the Jaws install portion 
of the scripts which makes it a dream to install.  He is also continuing the 
project to this day so he deserves top billing.  


  Ken

  Ken



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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik
  Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:59 PM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to know!


  Thanks, Folks. 

  Scientific papers list contributors in the order by which the largest 
contribution was made. I know that's a somewhat subjective way of doing things 
(and it is pretty subjective in science writing in general), but that's just 
the way it is. Any idea which ordering would be the most fair in this case? 

  After reading the posts, my "guess" as to what is fair, would be:

  Will Pearson, Travis Roth, Jamal Mazrui, Ken Perry, Sina Bahram, Peter Torpey

  Anyone else have any thoughts? Jamal, what do you think (If you are reading 
this post?)

  Andreas



  On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Ricks Place <OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    Hi:
    Those guys Ken mentions are the main folks I remember as some of the root 
developers. Will Pearson was one of the most interesting of all the gurus. He 
was a Microsoft VIP and had an amazing understanding of the MS development 
environment from a practicle and theoretical perspective. If I remember he was 
working on his PHD over in England. Eventually he had other projects whichhave 
dragged him away from posting much on list but he was an amazing intellect when 
it came to anything Microsoft related.
    I think Ken or Sina or Inthane might know how you might contact him if you 
want to do a short bio on the guys. Ken, Sina, Inthane and others continue 
posting on list and are very sharp, experienced  and well educated minds.  
Inthane has built the backbone of the blind repository for allot of 
documentation and is, or was, a student if I remember. A short bio in a 
University peer publication would be a nice little pat on the back for those 
folks who opened up the Visual Studio Programming Environment to the rest of us.
    Rick Farmington Mich. USA
    ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ken Perry 
      To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:59 PM
      Subject: RE: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to 
know!




      Last time I looked all the contributors were listed in the top of the 
script file.  In fact I just opened it with my reply and here is what it says

      ;Contributors (alphabetically): Sina Bahram, Jamal Mazrui, Will Pearson, 
Ken Perry, Travis Roth, Peter Torpey



      Now with that said if you want to know kind of a chronology to things it 
started with Will and Travis  working with Microsoft.  I am not sure if Travis 
worked with Microsoft directly but I know Will was.  They had created a lot of 
basic scripts for it.  I then came along and asked if anyone had wrote 
anything.  Both travis and Will told me they had stuff but it was not ready for 
release.  I asked them for their code so I could put something together that 
people could use until something better came along.  So with their code and a 
bit of what I wrote the first scripts were born.  After that jamal has taken 
the project and ran like a crazed professional line backer straight through a 
high school defense.  The others listed have done modifications to fit certain 
needs.


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      From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik
      Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:26 PM
      To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to know!


      Hey everyone,

      It's been a while since I've mailed the list (quite the hectic summer for 
me, as I was looking for work (I ended up taking a professorship at Central 
Washington University)). 

      So everyone knows, I'm currently working on a journal publication of some 
of the blind programming work I've been doing over the last few years. In it, I 
want to site the Visual Studio 2005-8 JAWS scripts available on the grab bag 
site, and mention them as being the best available scripts for the environment 
(that I know of!).

      So, what does that mean?

      If you were a primary contributor to the scripts and you would like to 
obtain credit, please email in this thread with your full name. Alternatively, 
if you don't feel comfortable putting your name out publicly, but want credit, 
you can email me directly.

      And last, does anyone have an official contributor list? I only want to 
cite the top contributors (especially if there are many!), as there isn't much 
space in publications usually.

      Hope to hear from you, hope everyone is having a great summer.

      Andreas

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