RE: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to know!

  • From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:51:08 -0400

Agreed

 

Take care,

Sina

 

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:20 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to
know!

 

 

 

Grin yes well I think it was me and you wining to each other on the phone
about lack of action I don't know that either of us could get top billing
when it comes to complaining about lack of action.  I hate the game of who
did what in fact if they put me at the bottom of the list I am happy because
the goal wasn't to get my name stuck on a list it was to get the dang things
where people could use them.

 

Ken

 

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:34 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to
know!

*chuckling*, if we're using that metric, then I should move up since I'm the
one who harped on Will, and then Travis, to get the necessary information to
me and Ken, which Ken then used to run with it.

 

Just kidding of course, since I really don't care,

 

Take care,

Sina

 

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:18 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to
know!

 

 

 

I think will and travis need to be switched in fact it should be Jamal,
Travis, Will, and then the rest the order looks fine.  I could say I should
be first because I doubt with out me all this would have got thrown together
to start with it seemed everyone before me was working on their own thing
and after I got things together jamal has done the lions share.  Travis had
the most code when I got the stuff started and Will had the next largest bit
of code before Jamal jumped into it and Jamal has surpassed I think both
Travis and will in the end.  Not only that but Jamal has made the Jaws
install portion of the scripts which makes it a dream to install.  He is
also continuing the project to this day so he deserves top billing.  

 

 

Ken

 

Ken

 

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:59 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to
know!

Thanks, Folks. 

Scientific papers list contributors in the order by which the largest
contribution was made. I know that's a somewhat subjective way of doing
things (and it is pretty subjective in science writing in general), but
that's just the way it is. Any idea which ordering would be the most fair in
this case? 

After reading the posts, my "guess" as to what is fair, would be:

Will Pearson, Travis Roth, Jamal Mazrui, Ken Perry, Sina Bahram, Peter
Torpey

Anyone else have any thoughts? Jamal, what do you think (If you are reading
this post?)

Andreas

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:16 AM, Ricks Place <OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi:

Those guys Ken mentions are the main folks I remember as some of the root
developers. Will Pearson was one of the most interesting of all the gurus.
He was a Microsoft VIP and had an amazing understanding of the MS
development environment from a practicle and theoretical perspective. If I
remember he was working on his PHD over in England. Eventually he had other
projects whichhave dragged him away from posting much on list but he was an
amazing intellect when it came to anything Microsoft related.

I think Ken or Sina or Inthane might know how you might contact him if you
want to do a short bio on the guys. Ken, Sina, Inthane and others continue
posting on list and are very sharp, experienced  and well educated minds.
Inthane has built the backbone of the blind repository for allot of
documentation and is, or was, a student if I remember. A short bio in a
University peer publication would be a nice little pat on the back for those
folks who opened up the Visual Studio Programming Environment to the rest of
us.

Rick Farmington Mich. USA

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ken Perry <mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  

To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:59 PM

Subject: RE: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to
know!

 

 

 

Last time I looked all the contributors were listed in the top of the script
file.  In fact I just opened it with my reply and here is what it says

 

;Contributors (alphabetically): Sina Bahram, Jamal Mazrui, Will Pearson, Ken
Perry, Travis Roth, Peter Torpey

 

Now with that said if you want to know kind of a chronology to things it
started with Will and Travis  working with Microsoft.  I am not sure if
Travis worked with Microsoft directly but I know Will was.  They had created
a lot of basic scripts for it.  I then came along and asked if anyone had
wrote anything.  Both travis and Will told me they had stuff but it was not
ready for release.  I asked them for their code so I could put something
together that people could use until something better came along.  So with
their code and a bit of what I wrote the first scripts were born.  After
that jamal has taken the project and ran like a crazed professional line
backer straight through a high school defense.  The others listed have done
modifications to fit certain needs.

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:26 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Did you contribute to the Visual Studio Scripts, I want to know!

Hey everyone,

It's been a while since I've mailed the list (quite the hectic summer for
me, as I was looking for work (I ended up taking a professorship at Central
Washington University)). 

So everyone knows, I'm currently working on a journal publication of some of
the blind programming work I've been doing over the last few years. In it, I
want to site the Visual Studio 2005-8 JAWS scripts available on the grab bag
site, and mention them as being the best available scripts for the
environment (that I know of!).

So, what does that mean?

If you were a primary contributor to the scripts and you would like to
obtain credit, please email in this thread with your full name.
Alternatively, if you don't feel comfortable putting your name out publicly,
but want credit, you can email me directly.

And last, does anyone have an official contributor list? I only want to cite
the top contributors (especially if there are many!), as there isn't much
space in publications usually.

Hope to hear from you, hope everyone is having a great summer.

Andreas

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