RE: Creating an Operating System with speech included

Grin have you used 8.04 much I have lately and it's not as bad as all that.
There are some places where it doesn't speak quite right but there are less
and less of them.  Where exactly are you having a problem with Orca.

ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:36 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Creating an Operating System with speech included

I'm sorry Ken, but just no ... Jaws 4.51 could access most inherit parts of
the OS without saying things like, blank, or just being silent and so forth.
Let's not even talk about scripts for third party applications. Orca is
scripted for open office and what? Evolution for email. That's nice, I
suppose, but hardly amazing given the vast amount of GUI applications
available for linux which can't speak what-so-ever.

 Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:53 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Creating an Operating System with speech included



Ok I need to clear up my previous statement.  I said it was around the 3.3
jaws stage.  I meant that only in how easy it is to use.  The fact is orca
is already more powerful than Jaws 3.3 it is closer to jaws 4.5 which is
when it got useful in XP the problem is there are times when Orca will crash
and if you are not a geek some times its hard to get running.  It's also got
a bit harder to use interface because there is just so many options.  For
example if you run up orca in Ubuntu 8.04 and go into firefox and don't know
that you have to do insert f-12 and change it to orca bindings you will find
that firefox is a bit clugy.  If you do know to switch it you will find that
firefox works better than with Jaws.  You will also find that the Pigeon
communication client is harder to use than that of Aim, msn, and or skype
but  if you learn to use it you will find it is more powerful and covers a
lot more messaging protocols.  You will also find that Open office actually
runs good with Orca where it just runs with Jaws.  The one thing they have
to do in Linux is get a OCR program without an OCR program that works good
it just is not worth it I can't scan books or bills or nothing and the free
ocr program google has right now is not ready for prime time but that could
change rapidly so I am always hoping.

So when I say it's at the jaws 3.3 range I should say in interface and ease
to learn and use.  When it comes to power its better than 3.3 but it's still
not up to Windows eyes 7 or Jaws 7 or system access standards yet but it is
getting there fast.

I haven't tried the sun java developer but I hear its fully accessible with
Orca and if that's true that's really cool so I will give that a shot next
time I get one of those rare free moments.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:41 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included

Well that's not good news. :-(
I've started to use Jaws from the version 3.6 or 3.8 or something like that,

and if you say that Orca compares with Jaws 3.3, it means that it is even 
less advanced than what I thought.

But OpenSolaris isn't Unix? It is just another distribution of Linux?

In my mind I always associated Sun with Unix because I thought that SunOS 
and Solaris are Unix operating systems, and I also thought that Unix work 
only on Unix servers and workstations, and only Linux is a kind of Unix made

for PC.

But or I am wrong and Solaris is not Unix, or Sun fool us and use the same 
name of Solaris for 2 different operating systems, one of them beeing Unix 
and the other one beeing a Linux distribution.

Can anyone make some light?

Thanks.



Octavian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Creating an Operating System with speech included


>
> Actually both orca linux and Solaris are about the same.  I would put them
> around Jaws 3.3 access right now.  I run Ubuntu because it's the easiest 
> to
> get working on my laptop.  I also run Redhat 9 on my server and have no
> troubles with it if you don't mind hacking a bit.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian 
> Rasnita
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:50 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>
> That's good news. Does OpenSolaris and Orca offer a better accessibility
> than Windows with Jaws?
>
> Or at least does it offer a better accessibility than Ubuntu with Orca?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>
>
>> yes, solaris is a unix platform and it suports orca.
>> at least for x86 cpu family
>> i've worked with solaris 10,
>> i've downloaded it from sun site for free.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>
>>
>>> Sorry, but I think you don't know what you are talking about.
>>>
>>> First, I didn't say that Jaws is a Microsoft program. I said only that
>>> the best accessibility is offered by Windows and Jaws and not by Orca 
>>> and
>>> Linux, but not even the comparison between these 2 is important, but the
>>> fact that it is very hard to create another OS with another screen 
>>> reader
>>> built in.
>>>
>>> Second, I know that Orca works with Linux, but Sun doesn't pretend that
>>> they've created the most advanced Linux OS, but that they've created
>>> Solaris, the most advanced OS.
>>> However, Solaris is not accessible for the blind, or it is accessible 
>>> but
>>> only by using emacspeak, which has a very ugly interface and offers a
>>> poor accessibility anyway, and I haven't tested Solaris so I don't 
>>> really
>>> know if it really supports emacspeak or it is just a future plan for 
>>> Sun.
>>>
>>> By the way, have anyone tried Solaris?
>>>
>>> Octavian
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>>
>>>
>>>> don't forget that jaws is not a microsoft software and, taking software
>>>> only from the two grand companies, sun is better than microsoft.
>>>> Because, with orca you can do more than with narator from windows.
>>>> So Sun has right assuming it as the best company offering an advanced 
>>>> os
>>>> with speak.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Windows is an operating system with speech included. Do you want to
>>>>> create a
>>>>> better OS than Windows and a better screen reader than Narrator?
>>>>> I guess you want to create a better one, because otherwise... why
>>>>> bother?
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to do that, you should create a company, employ a few
>>>>> thousands of
>>>>> good programmers and after very many years you might do it.
>>>>> Sun Microsystems has tens of thousands of programmers and they pretend
>>>>> that
>>>>> they have created the most advanced operating system in the world, and
>>>>> they
>>>>> have also made one of the most used screen readers for Linux, but the
>>>>> accessibility offered by their solutions is much lower than the one
>>>>> offered
>>>>> by Windows and screen readers like Jaws, and Sun work on their OS for
>>>>> very
>>>>> many years, so... it could be very hard to do what you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Octavian
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Jose Lomeli" <jose.lomeli93@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:05 AM
>>>>> Subject: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello; Listers, I just thought.  What do I have to do to create a
>>>>>> operating system with speech.  I just thought about this.  Can this 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> done? Please write back.
>>>>>> From Jose Lomeli.
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