-=PCTechTalk=- Re: networking help needed
- From: "Sammi" <sammi@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:31:36 -0600
Thanks for the heads-up, Chris! I got cold chills when I read about
this...in a newsgroup somewhere else they were talking about the hardware
firewalls perhaps being fairly secure. So this blows that theory, right?
I turned the firewall that came with Norton's back on and it doesn't seem to
bother the file transferring at all. So it must have been the PC-cillin
Firewall on the W98. It allows you to choose different profiles; I had the
default "Connection Directly to the Internet" chosen, but there is also one
for "Home Network. I'll have to experiment and see if it really matters or
makes a difference.
We have all three computers now networked. And all three connecting to the
Internet with no problem.
I think by booting up XP Home-SP2, then W98FE-business and lastly the
grandson's W98SE, that worked for making sure the connections were all OK.
Before I was booting up W98FE-business first, then XP, then the grandson's
W98SE and his wouldn't connect. I haven't done this enough times to make
sure of this because he has been gone and just got home today.
I thank you for this further information, what a lot there is to learn and
you never get it all since something new is always coming up! I am not sure
I feel brave enough today to turn off the UPnP off in the router settings.
In fact, I really don't know if it was ever turned on unless it came that
way by default. I don't recall actually doing it. I knew even less when I
set that up than I do now! LOL I will read the Google info, too.
Sammi
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Spotta
To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:49 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: networking help needed
Just hear about this after I had sent my last email
A new virus that spreads by UPnP!
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050815_163102.html
Chris
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-----Original Message-----
From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Spotta
Sent: 17 August 2005 17:37
To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: networking help needed
Cool.
You're nearly there.
A few settings tweaked and you'll be done.
Re. Globe Icon
This means your router is UPnP enabled.
Personally whenever I have set up routers with UPnP it has given me trouble
- I always turn it off. I also don't like the idea of my computer
controlling the router and telling it what to do - you know how easy it is
for someone to make your computer to do stuff without your knowledge.
If you're felling brave you can turn UPnP off in the router settings (rtm)
- and have the router controlling itself and the computer likewise.
With UPnP off, most of the networking information you read on the net will
make more sense as most of it was written for non UPnP hardware.
UPnp (Universal Plug and Play) is meant to make hardware that supports it
talk to each other
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&hs=SU5&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.moz
illa:en-US:official&oi=defmore&q=define:UPnP
Personal I like to be in control of what my hardware does!
UPnP is not supported by 98 and 98SE, so that might also be part of your
problem
Chris
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-----Original Message-----
From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sammi
Sent: 17 August 2005 16:52
To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: networking help needed
Hi Chris,
I have not received hardly any email from PCtechTalk until today, either my
end was messed up or the list was down. It made me happy to see a few
messages from the list this morning! Especially yours.
Here is what I have learned. The "MR814" icon is my router, the MR814 is the
model. I have unique names for each computer and we both belong to the same
workgroup.
I have gone to your site to have a look at your screenshot, but I can't read
it, might be too much compression. but I'm going to look at it with my old
computer and see if that helps. Yep! I can see it fine on the old monitor.
I can ping the router on both pc's and that is what the IP addy of
192.168.0.1 is--the router. I cannot ping either pc from the other, it times
out. So novice that I am, even I know that the two pc's are not
communicating with one another.
In "My Network Places" (which seems to take a very long time to show up) I
can usually see the icons for both computers. But right now. and I have just
booted up, I'm getting this message:
"Our Happy Home" (being the workgroup name) is not accessible. (dumb name,
lol) You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the
administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions.
The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available.
At the present time, the only thing I see in My Network Places is a shared
documents folder on the XP pc. Yesterday I could see icons and names for
both computers. Is it common for this to take so long to show up?
In Total Commander, I see Microsoft Windows Network, then workgroup
name...but still getting the error message above about the list of servers
for this workgroup not being currently available.
A friend of mine in another country (!) recommended that I download a
shareware program, "Total Commander" to use to transfer files and see both
computers. I have and it looks like it will be good to use, once this
networking problem is solved.
Things I have tried:
Disabled Windows Firewall on XP
Turned off Norton's Firewall on XP
Turned off Zone Alarm on W98 first edition
Turned off Pc-cillin's Firewall on W98
Aha! I can now see the icon for W98 in the workgroup now in Total Commander.
And now in XP's Workgroup window.
OH MY GOODNESS! I can actually for the very first time see some folders on
the W98 pc from the XP machine!! I am so excited, except that it is asking
me for a password and I will have to look in my copious notes to see what
the heck I might have used! Oh brother, what if I cannot find or remember my
password?!? Maybe a little caffeine will jog my memory! I'll send this and
get back to you after I figure the password thing out. What a dummy I am!
I suspect now, that it might have been a firewall issue, but without some
experimenting I won't know for sure. But, with all the recent hub-bub in the
news about virii spreading, I feel pretty unprotected. Hopefully the
router's firewall will help me out.
I'll be posting again soon. Thanks for the help Chris!
Sammi
I believe the globe icon is a ftp site - ignore it for now
If I look in my network places I see - (screenshot)
http://www.spotta.com/images/networkplaces.jpg
underneath network places you will see 'microsoft windows network and
underneath that the workgroup (in my case n-e-t-working) all computers must
belong to the same workgroup and then underneath the workgroup should be all
the computers on the network that are currently on.
Have a look at yours and post back
Chris
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chris@xxxxxxxxxx
http://www.spotta.com
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