I understand your frustrations with Vista. The computer that I am using came with Vista 32-bit (a Dell), but, unlike your experience with HP, I got the actual discs. I plan on waiting until Windows 7's first Service Pack is out before upgrading. That way, all of the vendors of my hardware and software will be able to come up with drivers, updates, etc. for Win7. Also, it will give M$ time to work out more of the bugs and security issues with Windows 7 (which is always an issue with any new M$ OS). I have read articles that the DRM restrictions in Win7 will be more "onerous" than in Vista. Unless this is a "special deal" limited-time offer, I'd wait for a while to let things "shake out" and see how wide the adoption of Win7 is and how widespread the "gripes" are (e.g., does WinXP compatibility mode really work with your programs?). If you get the same version upgrade, you should be able to install in place, but you might want to check out the upgrade chart that M$ put out to see where the program that you are thinking about getting fits on it. -----Original Message----- From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David TW Chun Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:39 AM To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Windows 7 Pro or Windows 7 Ultimate? Now or wait? Hi! I just wanted to get some opinions on Windows 7. Should I wait a few months before updating? I'm planning to upgrade eventually since I think that I hate VISTA. My problem with Vista is that several programs that I want to use (currently low priority since I'm behind in things; but will be a higher priority when I get caught up) such as Corel Painter 4 as well as other programs won't install , or programs that have installed won't install the upgrades, such as Corel Paint Shop Pro Photo X2. Another annoyance is that there are folders that are grayed out that Vista won't let me view (which also means that I can't manipulate/edit). My current system is a HP desktop with a quad-core processor, 3 GB memory, and lots of hard drive space, internal and external. And I set myself up as the administrator, even though it seems that Vista has doubts about that and often won't let me install, upgrade and view things on occasion -- but usually it will ask and then let me run/install programs such an SlyFox's 'AnyDVD' etc. I just saw that Amazon is offering Windows 7 Ultimate for $219 which is just $20 more than Windows 7 Pro which is the OS version that I was thinking would be the minimum system that would make me happy (so I'm sort of leaning towards Ultimate now). I'm hoping that Windows 7 will be a smooth upgrade that will let me dump Vista without losing my 'data' on the 'C','E','L', 'O' etc drives. I'm looking for an OS that will let me do what I want with installing programs etc. The XP option is very attractive since I'm hoping that programs that I'm having problems installing, but works on my XP laptop, will either install smoothly in Windows 7 or in Windows 7 running under the XP mode. I'm still using lots of older programs such as Office 2003 (I still can't believe that Office 2010 is about to be released -- where has the time gone?) and the Netscape mail program. Also, the HP computer didn't come with CD's containing the OS. Rather, I had to create 'restore disks'. I liked things better in the good old days that when you bought a computer, the computer came with disks that had the OS. This was good because then in case of a serious crash, such as when your 'C' drive becomes defective and you need to replace the drive. I've had desktops fail and when I tried to install the OS from the restore disks, I found that the restore disks were somehow defective and the only way I could use the computer was to install the OS from an OS installation CD. So, I'm looking forward to having the OS on CD's to start with, for the peace of mind. Also, I'm hoping that Windows 7 really requires less resources so that my 3 GB will seem like more memory (I would add more memory; but if I understand the VISTA 32-bit version OS, the maximum is 3.6 GB anyway). Anyway, I'm just putting this out since I suspect there is lots of interest now that Windows 7 availability is become a 'reality' for many of us who want to divorce ourselves from VISTA. Thank you, David --------------------------------------------------------------- Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. 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