Hi Tom, Trend pc cillin http://www.trendmicro.com/en/products/desktop/pc-cillin/evaluate/features.htm has done very well on the independent testing by www.hackfix.org I use H&Bev AntiVir as my alternate AV program it is free and also does well on the Hackfix testing. http://www.free-av.com/ I had problems with Norton AV 2004 last week and was finally able to resolve them by unistalling it, and removing Live Update from my registry. Then reinstalling NAV. From Symantec support; Mike, I apologize that you've had such a frustrating experience. To resolve this issue, I recommend you to uninstall Norton AntiVirus (NAV) manually by removing any remaining folders and registry entries, and reinstall it. To do this, the following document from our Online Knowledge Base will assist you in the process: Title: 'How to completely remove Norton AntiVirus 2004 and then reinstall the program' Document ID: 2003090415405206 Web URL: http://service1.symantec.com/Support/nav.nsf/docid/2003090415405206 Mike ~ It is a good day if I learned something new. Editor MikesWhatsNews see a sample on my web page http://www3.telus.net/mikebike See my Anti-Virus pages http://virusinfo.hackfix.org/index <virusinfo-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?Subject=subscribe> A Technical Support Alliance and OWTA Charter Member *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 25/02/2004 at 11:41 PM tom wrote: what is a good Anti-Virus software.I have Norton but it has a update problem.and I have had it with Norton Anti-Virus. To unsub or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ For more info: //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/list?list_id=pctechtalk