Sorry I sounded "preachy" in my reply. Especially when I had missed the whole point of Nigel's posting. Hope everyone can accept my apology and let me keep reading, learning, questioning, and hopefully remembering to thank when the problem is solved. Deb Of -------list-services-below----------- Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Latest news live feeds at http://modecideas.com/indexhomenews.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.