Have a look at the AL web page for this program and you’ll see their list of
simplifications. They state clearly that what we calculate will probably not be
very close to the 93 million miles we now know it to be, but to “Submit what
you get."
Alex
On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Peter Turner <peteturner@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That would seem to provide only a rough calculation.
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Don't need to, if we get enough observations to draw a straight line across
the sun.
Bob
On Apr 12, 2016 3:25 PM, "Peter Turner" <peteturner@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:peteturner@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I guess I’m confused about how we can do the measurement. It’s my
understanding that we need to be able to see Mercury as it touches the
eastern limb of the sun and as it touches the western limb. Since the
transit starts prior to the sun rising for viewers in the west, how do we do
this?
Pete Turner
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Here’s my thinking on the matter. If we are both watching the Sun rise, I
imagine us both standing on the “side” of a sphere, looking east, toward the
Sun above our horizon.
With that image in mind, our difference in latitude is what would influence
the offset between our two projections of Mercury’s disc onto that of the
Sun. Our difference in longitude is trivial when compared to the distance
between us and the Sun.
Alex
On Apr 11, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Robert Ewing <rrewing9@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rrewing9@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Alex...and Ted and all.....nicely done....
I was wondering about the difference in longitude between us being a factor.
But if we both (and others too) use horizontal lines across the solar disc
and
measure parallax angle from those lines (across opposed to using specific
points) we should be ok. Boy, do we have to be precise!! The parallax
will be 1/3 the diameter of Mercury's disc!! Ha!
I will see if I can get someone in Bend, Oregon to join us because it will
almost certainly be clear there. Very dry. Central Oregon Community College
is there. Also Pine Mt. Observatory (where I used to do education/public
outreach).
Cheers everyone!
Bob E
On Apr 11, 2016 5:06 PM, "Alex Vrenios" <axv@xxxxxxx <mailto:axv@xxxxxxx>>
wrote:
One thing, if I’m reading the requirements correctly, is that anyone can
pair up with anyone else. That is, if Ted and Bob get images at exactly 9am,
10am and 11am Phoenix time (1800, 1700 and 1600Z), anyone else in the club
can use their images same-time to perform the measurements and calculations.
Bob and Ted can only pair up with one of us, but I see no prohibition
against anyone or everyone using these images to compare with their own.
Bob and I have a PowerPoint slide set that describes the details. I plan to
use them at the May 5th meeting to show what this is all about. I will be
happy to send a PDF to anyone who may not be able to attend the May meeting.
Alex
P.S. There are options in case the sky is cloudy at one or both locations,
allowing an AL member to use imaging over the Internet at one or even two
web locations to gather the data. I asked if a screen shot of a live stream
was okay. I also pointed out that the only “remote imaging” site I could
find, at iTelescope.net <http://itelescope.net/>, told me they do not offer
a solar imaging service at this time. The AL coordinator said he would
contact some others and let me know how they plan to change these options.
P.P.S. The AL’s Transit of Venus (in 2012) did NOT require two sets of
images. You only had to make a sketch and then go to a NASA site to do three
“activities,” one of which was to download their images and plug in your
measurements to get the calculated value of 1 AU.
On Apr 11, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Ted Blank <tedblank@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tedblank@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I will be on the East coast for the Mercury transit and would love to try
this with club members back here in Phoenix. It's about time we knew how
far away the sun was! 🌝
Best regards,
Ted Blank
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On Apr 11, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Terri <starstuff@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:starstuff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Alex,
the May 5 meeting would work good for a discussion about this project, if
you want to prep something about it. Dan doesn't usually do too long of a
presenation, so we should have time after his talk to discuss the Mercury
transit
Sam, is this ok with you and should we put it on the agenda?
I want to hear about it, even if I'm not planning to do it. Sounds
intriguing.
Terri
On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Alex Vrenios <axv@xxxxxxx
<mailto:axv@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
The Astronomical League is offering an award (pin and certificate) for
meeting the requirements as stated on their website http://astroleague.org ;
<http://astroleague.org/>. Scroll down to “Mercury Transit Special Award
is now here” and click on the word “here” at the end of that paragraph.
This page has all the requirements you must meet in order to receive the
award. All members of PAS are automatically PAS club affiliates of the AL
so your first requirement is already met.
The next set of requirements are not for the faint at heart. They involve
the cooperation of two observers at some distance apart (PVCC to BMC
should be enough) and a lot of trigonometry. You and your partner will be
using the separate observations to calculate “1 AU” the distance from the
Earth to the Sun.
I need to look at the details more carefully first, but I’d like to
propose a short talk about this at an upcoming meeting if there is any
interest.
Alex
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