[O Velho News] Re: VNC
- From: Gilgamesh <gilgao@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ovelho@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:30:36 -0300
Não é controlar varios servidores ao mesmo tempo, mas sim vários cliente
acessarem o mesmo servidor ao mesmo tempo, na mesma sessão para que
todos vejam a mesma tela. Quanto "mesmo" :P
Tem como?
Diogo Miranda wrote:
>Existe o terminal services manager, ja vem com a familia de servers.
>Voce pode controla as secoes mas nao da para controlar mais que 1 ao
>mesmo tempo :(
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Gilgamesh
>Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:34 PM
>To: ovelho@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [O Velho News] Re: VNC
>
>O remote desktop web =E9 uma boa alternativa, mas como eu fa=E7o para os =
>
>usu=E1rios acessarem a mesma sess=E3o?
>E =E9 necess=E1rio que o usu=E1rio apenas visualize a tela. Ele n=E3o =
>pode mexer
>
>em nada. =C9 poss=EDvel isso tamb=E9m?
>
>
>Diogo Miranda wrote:
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>>Terminal Services
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>>http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/evaluation/news/bulletins/t
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>s
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>>ac.asp
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>>Remote Desktop
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>>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/rdwebconn.asp
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>On Behalf Of Gilgamesh
>>Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:21 PM
>>To: ovelho@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [O Velho News] Re: VNC
>>
>>Web Client pra remote desktop? onde?
>>
>>
>>
>>Diogo Miranda wrote:
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>>=20
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>>>Voce pode se conectar a mesma secao, porem o usuario teria que apertar
>>>ok. E tambem existe um web client para o mesmo.=3D3D20
>>>Em relacao ao ip voce poderia falar que o final 200 seria usado apenas
>>>para esta tarefa, ai sempre que vc precisar fazer isso voce rodava um
>>>script que trocava o ip da maquina.
>>>
>>>
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>>> ) /_/| |.-------.|
>>> ' `-`' " "
>>>!****************************************!
>>>! Diogo Miranda !
>>>! http://www.diogomiranda.com !
>>>!****************************************!
>>>! 'C++' should have been called 'D' !
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>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>On Behalf Of Gilgamesh
>>>Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:48 PM
>>>To: ovelho@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [O Velho News] Re: VNC
>>>
>>>N=3D3DE3o =3D3DE9 poss=3D3DEDvel usar discagem, pq isso tudo =
>>>
>>>
>ser=3D3DE1 usado
>=3D
>
>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>para
>>fazer =3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>demonstra=3D3DE7=3D3DF5es. ent=3D3DE3o v=3D3DE1rios clientes v=3D3DE3o =
>>>
>>>
>conectar
>=3D
>
>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>ao mesmo =3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>tempo.
>>>Eles precisam visualizar o que uma pessoa daqui est=3D3DE1 fazendo na
>>>
>>>
>=3D3D
>
>
>>>m=3D3DE1quina,
>>>
>>>como uma aula.
>>>
>>>O remote desktop cria uma se=3D3DE7=3D3DE3o s=3D3DF3 pro usu=3D3DE1rio =
>>>
>>>
>que =3D
>
>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>conecta, =3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>ent=3D3DE3o n=3D3DE3o=3D3D20
>>>pode tb, pq ele n=3D3DE3o enxergaria a minha se=3D3DE7=3D3DE3o.
>>>
>>>Os clientes s=3D3DE3o da esp=3D3DE9cio "usu=3D3DE1rio leigo", aquela =
>>>
>>>
>que =3D
>
>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>d=3D3DE1 mais
>>=3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>problema,
>>>
>>>sabem? ;)
>>>Normalmente vao usar Windows., e n=3D3DE3o sabem o que =3D3DE9 uma
>>>
>>>
>"porta", =3D
>
>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>ou
>>=3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>onde=3D3D20
>>>baixar um programa.
>>>
>>>O VNC tem a vantagem de possuir um servidor web integrado. Quando
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>alguem
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>conecta a ele, automaticamente =3D3DE9 feito o download do applet java
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>pra=3D3D20
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>visualiza=3D3DE7=3D3DE3o.
>>>
>>>Eu estou pensando em usar um port-forward mesmo. Preciso que a
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>"escuta"=3D3D20
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>seja feita na porta 80, pq muitos clientes est=3D3DE3o em empresas =3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>que=3D3D20
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>bloqueiam o acesso a outras portas.
>>>O problema do port-forward =3D3DE9 que ele seria configurado pra dar
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>forward =3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>=3D3DE0
>>>
>>>um ip espec=3D3DEDfico, mas a demonstra=3D3DE7=3D3DE3o pode ser feita =
>>>
>>>
>em =3D
>
>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>qualquer =3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>m=3D3DE1quina,
>>>
>>>implicando que a cada vez que a demonstra=3D3DE7=3D3DE3o for feita, =
>>>
>>>
>=3D
>
>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>teria-se
>>que =3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>configurar o port-forward novamente.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Lucio Feitoza wrote:
>>>
>>>se o problema for instalar programas e o cliente possuir windows, voce
>>>pode
>>>usar o proprio netmeeting que =3D3DE9 gratuito para quem possui =
>>>
>>>
>windows.
>
>
>>>Com o netmeeting tambem =3D3DE9 possivel acessar diretamente, sem =3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>precisar
>>=3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>de
>>>um
>>>terceiro computador, o gateway. Mas nesse caso a maquina a ser
>>>controlada
>>>teria que discar para o seu cliente, ou seja teria que ter alguem na
>>>maquina.
>>>
>>>
>>>Diogo Miranda wrote:
>>>
>>>=3D20
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sem precisar instalar nada a primeira coisa que vem em mente seria.
>>>>Cliente com Windows Xp, e a sua maquina interna com Terminal Services
>>>> =3D20
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>ou
>>>=3D20
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Remote Desktop. O XP ja vem com o cliente, mas voce tem que
>>>>
>>>>
>configurar
>
>
>>>> =3D20
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>a
>>>=3D20
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>conexao.
>>>>Quanto ao servidor, se vc tiver um ip publico vago pode usa-lo, ou se
>>>>estiver utilizando nat voce vai ter que dar forward na porta 3389
>>>>
>>>>
>para
>
>
>>>> =3D20
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>a
>>>=3D20
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>sua maquina interna.
>>>>
>>>>Acho que voce deveria falar o OS de cada uma das maquina envolvida
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>para
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>>podermos dar uma opniao melhor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>> / \ /| |'-.
>>>> .\__/ || | |
>>>> _ / `._ \|_|_.-'
>>>> | / \__.`=3D3D3D3D._) (_
>>>> |/ ._/ |"""""""""|
>>>> |'. `\ | |
>>>> ;"""/ / | |
>>>> ) /_/| |.-------.|
>>>> ' `-`' " "
>>>>!****************************************!
>>>>! Diogo Miranda !
>>>>! http://www.diogomiranda.com !
>>>>!****************************************!
>>>>! 'C++' should have been called 'D' !
>>>>!****************************************!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>[mailto:ovelho-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>
>
>>>>On Behalf Of Gilgamesh
>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:39 PM
>>>>To: Conselho Intergal=3D3D3DE1tico
>>>>Subject: [O Velho News] VNC
>>>>
>>>>Ol=3D3D3DE1 senhores (e senhoritas, por que n=3D3D3DE3o?)
>>>>
>>>>O neg=3D3D3DF3cio =3D3D3DE9 o seguinte:
>>>>Tenho uma m=3D3D3DE1quina aqui na intranet, a qual eu preciso que um
>>>> =3D20
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>cliente=3D3D3D20
>>>=3D20
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>externo possa visualizar seu desktop, tal qual o vnc faz.
>>>>O problema =3D3D3DE9 que a m=3D3D3DE1quina est=3D3D3DE1 na intranet e =
>>>>
>>>>
>o =3D
>
>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>cliente =3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>> =3D20
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>t=3D3D3DE1
>>>fora.
>>>=3D20
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Uma solu=3D3D3DE7=3D3D3DE3o seria utilizar uma esp=3D3D3DE9cie de =
>>>>
>>>>
>ponte num
>=3D
>
>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>dos =3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>> =3D20
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>nossos=3D3D3D20
>>>=3D20
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>servidores externos. A maquina daqui se conectaria ao servidor, e =
>>>>
>>>>
>=3D3D
>
>
>>>> =3D20
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>o=3D3D3D20
>>>=3D20
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>cliente tamb=3D3D3DE9m, sendo que o servidor s=3D3D3DF3 serviria =
>>>>
>>>>
>=3D3D
>
>
>>>> =3D20
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>(trocadilho=3D3D3D20
>>>=3D20
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>n=3D3D3DE3o-intencional) pra repassar os dados para o cliente.
>>>>
>>>>Tem como?
>>>>
>>>>O ideal seria se o cliente n=3D3D3DE3o precisasse instalar nada, que
>>>>
>>>>
>nem =3D
>
>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>=3D3D
>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>>> =3D20
>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>=3D3D3D
>>>=3D20
>>>
>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>quando=3D3D3D20
>>>>ele conecta a um servidor vnc pela interface web, quando a =3D3D3D
>>>>visualiza=3D3D3DE7=3D3D3DE3o=3D3D3D20
>>>>=3D3D3DE9 feita atrav=3D3D3DE9s de um applet java.
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