Kevin - Setting filesystemio_options=Direct does indeed prompt rman to do a direct write, but ext3 on 2.4.21 doesnt like it and blows up. o_direct support on ext3 seems to be flaky. There seems to be no overall redhat setting that says "Dont buffer filesystem I/o. At all. Ever" and you have to screw around with filesystems to try and turn it off; I havent suceeded in doing this. Backing up to OCFS is not supported afaik. Tell me: what happens to your free memory when you are running a backup - or any large IO accross an ext3 filesystem (a tar or even a tape backup..) Thanks mark -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kevin Closson Sent: 23 November 2005 13:57 To: Oracle-L Subject: RE: linux DBA's: O_Direct >>>>I run database backups to an ext3 filesystem, using both >>>rman and regular hotbackups on different servers. Linux uses >>>all available ram to cache the writes to ext3, which can If this is RMAN, why isn't oracle using O_DIRECT for the ext3 target? 10gR2 will do open(,O_DIRECT,) on ext3 if you set filesystemio_options=directIO. I would recommend doing that, but then I'd also recommend a filesystem where you can put any thing you please in there - without the worry of landmines to step on...none of this "Uh, I think I'll put some goodies in ocfs filesystem, but then I have to put these other goodies in ext3 so my system doesn't blow up" Kevin Closson Chief Architect, Database Solutions PolyServe www.polyserve.com >>>reduce free memory to 10-20MB (the box has 12GB) - this is >>>how it is supposed to work. Sometimes the kernel is unable >>>to allocate ram for new processes when it drop to this level >>>and causes errors. It seems to me that filesystem block >>>caching is unsuitable for a database server - it is not an >>>issue for OCFS, only for backups to ext3. >>>> >>>>[...] >>>>-- >>>> >>>> >>> >>>-- >>>//www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l >>> >>> >>> -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ============================================================================== -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l