We were evaluating this for a ct (in NZ, Oz) and they were looking at having to license every core (or CPU) in the VM cluster that Oracle runs in , leading to the conclusion that Oracle would need it's own VM cluster(s) for licensing reasons, rather than sharing a cluster with all the app/web servers and other rif-raf ;) HTH - Jeff 2009/6/11 Tony van Lingen <tony_vanlingen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Mmmm, that's interesting. We had a discussion here last week about this > very topic. It appears that (at least here in Oz) one would have to licence > every core for every installed virtual machine (with Oracle on it), so if > you would install 2 VMs on a 4-core machine, you'd have to licence 16 > cores.. > > Has anyone a definitive answer? > > Cheers, > Tony > > Freeman, Donald wrote: > > Yes, my understanding is that you would have to buy 8 CPU's worth of licenses > for the 4 quad cores and you could create however many VM's the host could > handle. I am not very familiar with Oracle VM to speak to it's features. We > (Commonwealth of PA) plunged an bought an Enterprise license for VMWare so > that's all we have. I don't know if Oracle has an equivalent to Vmotion but > if you've only got one VM host what are you going to use it for? You don't > start getting the full benefit of a VM until you have a cluster and can > failover to another physical machine. > > You haven't escaped any of the organizational problems that you would > normally experience mixing production and development tiers. We have a > production VM cluster/SAN and a development VM cluster/SAN. Just from an > administrative point of view in the event of a failure it's not good practice > to cripple both your developers and users with one issue. > > Donald Freeman > Database Administrator II > Commonwealth of Pennsylvania > Department of Health > Bureau of Information Technology > 2150 Herr Street > Harrisburg, PA 17103dofreeman@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Subbiah, Nagarajan [mailto:Nagarajan.Subbiah@xxxxxxxx > <Nagarajan.Subbiah@xxxxxxxx>] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:15 AM > To: Freeman, Donald; Oracle-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Oracle on Virtual Machines > > Hi Donald, Thanks. If we have the 4 Quad Core VM Host on Intel x86 platform, > once you purchase the 8 CPU license using Oracle Licensing Metric multiplier > (0.5/core for Intel) then we can have any number of VM with the any number > virtual CPUs. OR for every VM's virtual CPU, you need to buy the license for. > > Oracle VM is similar to VMWare? Does it have all the features of VMWare > (especially Vmotion)? > > Though the SQL server is out of the scope for discussion, Any cons you have > found of using SQL Server VMs combining both development,test and production > in a single physical server assuming enough hardware resources are in place. > We are looking at the options for SQL Server as well to consolidate 10s of > SQL Servers. > > Raja. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Freeman, Donald [mailto:dofreeman@xxxxxxxxxxx <dofreeman@xxxxxxxxxxx>] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:58 AM > To: Subbiah, Nagarajan; Oracle-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Oracle on Virtual Machines > > There should be a long discussion on Oracle on VM in the May archives. > Oracle discourages the use of VMWare through licensing restrictions which it > does not apply to itself if using Oracle VM. You have to buy a license for > every CPU on the VM host whether or not you are using it. I think the Oracle > VM uses a config file to set the number of CPU's that Oracle uses. We don't > have any production Oracle VM's but have some > development on VM clusters. We have a lot of production SQL Server > VM's. > > > Donald Freeman > Database Administrator II > Commonwealth of Pennsylvania > Department of Health > Bureau of Information Technology > 2150 Herr Street > Harrisburg, PA 17103dofreeman@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On > Behalf Of Subbiah, Nagarajan > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:20 AM > To: Oracle-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Oracle on Virtual Machines > > Hi List, > > Does Oracle support running the Oracle databases on VMs using SAN? > Oracle also has something called Oracle VM. How does it different from Vmware > solutions?. > > Also, Looking to move the hardware from HP PA RISC architecture to x86 using > Linux. What is the equivalent of 4 Dual Core PA8900 processeors compared to > the HP Machines especially DL-G Series. > > Any one has any experience of running production and development on same VM > host; Assuming enough hardware resources in place any pros/cons of sharing > the prod and dev on the same VM host? > > Thanks in Advance. > Raja. > > --//www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l > > > --//www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l > > >