As a current holder of *several* Oracle OCP titles, let me add my 2 cents. If you are a contractor that bids on jobs for a living, then you have to have it. If you work for a company that will pay for training and the OCP exam, then go for it - you will learn new stuff. If you do not have any intention of becoming an independent contractor - you will always work for a company some place, you probably do not need it. Oracle pretty much killed the OCP thing this last go-around with 10g. It became a naked ploy to generate huge fees for something that is needed by a small percentage of the working population. Tom ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Williams Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:11 PM To: GJohnson@xxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l Subject: Re: Oracle certification - Worth the hard work? George, There was a time in the late 90's when the demand for Oracle DBAs was skyrocketing and many people were trying to get in on a good thing. Y2K caused a lot of new systems to be implemented and the dot-com bubble drove even more demand. For people with no experience entering the Oracle DBA field, the certification was a way to demonstrate sincere interest, if not experience. Then came 9/11 and suddenly managers could easily hire an Oracle DBA with genuine experience. From what I've seen, the OCP has been relegated to "nice to have" ever since. Dennis Williams