I think Dan's both right and optimistic. If the focus is fusion middleware I entirely agree - I suspect that by the time FMW really exists it will be a somewhat advanced from where we are now. If it's app server though I suspect there are a fair few app server installs that aren't FMW and will be around awhile. Essentially J2EE app servers in oracle shops. The integration of bea into app server in say 2 years time is just so far off it's rather irrelevant my view anyway. Niall On Jan 23, 2008 7:58 PM, Dan Norris <dannorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I agree with Niall and others, but also add that any deep investment in > learning a lot about Fusion Middleware's current incarnation seems risky as > I (and many others) suspect that the BEA acquisition, once complete, will > change the Fusion Middleware picture yet again--dramatically. > > That doesn't mean we can sit back and wait, but maybe hedge your bets and > avoid going from ground zero to FMW expert until we all see the updated > roadmaps post-BEA. For now, I'd probably stick with going from ground zero > to FMW operator and then consider investing further in learning the "new, > improved" FMW once we see what that looks like. > > Dan > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Niall Litchfield <niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx> > To: Brandon.Allen@xxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:40:29 PM > Subject: Re: Oracle Application Server Admin > > Just to second, or eighth or whatever, the other comments. > > Yes - it's a dba job > Yes - it's a pain. > Yes - it has little upside. > Yes - it requires understanding coffee language. > Yes - the docs are poor. > > > On the plus side - > > those sorts of things make it interesting. > there aren't many good consultants on it so it adds to job security. > once it runs it tends to run until something changes (42 days). > > so commiserations and congratulations. > > Niall > > On Jan 22, 2008 10:31 PM, Allen, Brandon <Brandon.Allen@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > Hi List, > > > > I've recently been enlisted as the admin for Oracle App Server 10gR2 and > > every day I'm realizing more and more how much effort this is going to > > require for setup and ongoing support. I have no prior App Server > > experience so this is no minor task for me to pick up. This is our > > company's first experience with OAS so we're trying to figure out whose > > responsibility it should be ultimately and I'm just curious what other shops > > typically do. Are any of you DBAs also being asked to take on OAS admin > > (similar to an "Apps DBA"), or do your shops have dedicated staff for this > > role, or another group that takes this on in addition to their primary role? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Brandon > > > > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or > > attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not > > consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions > > and other information in this message that do not relate to the official > > business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed > > by it. > > > > > > -- > Niall Litchfield > Oracle DBA > http://www.orawin.info > > -- Niall Litchfield Oracle DBA http://www.orawin.info