Re: ASM or not to ASM
- From: "Amaral, Rui" <Rui.Amaral@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'kevin.lange@xxxxxxxxxx'" <kevin.lange@xxxxxxxxxx>, "'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:51:48 -0400
Hallelujah on that brother. My previous place worked as you suggested,ie. The
dba's did most of the work. Current environment falls into that worst case
scenario... Sigh.
From: Lange, Kevin G [mailto:kevin.lange@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 03:47 PM
To: Oracle L <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: ASM or not to ASM
Worse scenario I have ever seen was an organization that had
1) DBA
2) Storage Admin
3) Server Admin
4) Hardware Admin
5) Change Management Admin
Every time you wanted to get anything done you needed a weeks notice and 10
meetings and entries in the change management system by all departments
involved in which any one of them being late on responding caused the entire
process to stall and possibly have to be rescheduled.
Give me a situation with a DBA with authority to manage their own servers from
the hardware on up any day.
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Aaron Leonard
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:56 PM
To: jkstill@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: tim@xxxxxxxxx; RStorey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Oracle L
Subject: Re: ASM or not to ASM
I think the key to situations such as Jared's was the "excellent system
administrators" comment. I've also had situations that were the opposite of
that. In the case where I deal with system/storage admins of a more junior
level, I certainly prefer to have as much control over storage as possible, so
ASM can be a good choice for that.
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Jared Still
<jkstill@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:jkstill@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Tim Gorman
<tim@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
The main thing that is happening is that stuff which used to "belong" in the
realm of "root" and the Sys Admins are being moved under the realm of DBA. So,
there is a huge political aspect to the adoption of ASM that often overshadows
the technical aspect, and this political "shift of power" from Sys Admin to DBA
can be more of an obstruction than any other aspect of ASM adoption. Not sure
what things are like in your shop, but that is not a trivial concern.
In addition to the political issues, there may also be matters of convenience -
yours.
At my previous employer I did not use ASM.
Whenever that topic came up, fellow DBA's felt obligated to chastise me and
attempt
to convince me to use ASM. Well that just wasn't going to happen at that shop.
Why not? I was the only DBA.
That company has some excellent system administrators, but they do not know
Oracle that well.
I liked the fact that they could look at storage on the server and monitor it
and see where the space was.
As the lone DBA, I did not really want to 'own' the storage.
Had I proposed ASM, I am quite sure the SA manager would have shot it down when
he learned the ramifications for his team,
and with good reason IMO.
HTH,
Jared Still
Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist
Oracle Blog: http://jkstill.blogspot.com
Home Page: http://jaredstill.com
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