Hi, All, I just don't think that the Optacon in its present form is the be-all, end-all, final word and savior of our ability to read, even a little. I still think the Video-Tim approach is a good idea, since it gets rid of the vibration, and I am going to stick to that. Gail, frankly, I sense your petulence and your mocking tone, and I want none of it; there is no room for that here, or on any list. Mark Blier <--> ----- Original Message ----- From: <gailselfridge@xxxxxxx> To: <optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:48 AM Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Reading with Optacon Since the "stupid" vibration is what makes the image we can feel, how do you propose to do that? If it's fixed, it would be much more difficult to change the image as you move on. Gail Hi, All, All of this is true, celebrated, and all of that, but, does it have to stop here? Get rid of the stupid vibration ... Mark Blier <--> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Gehres" <_ljgehres@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:ljgehres@xxxxxxxxxxx) > To: <_optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: [optacon-l] Re: Reading with Optacon I haven't put my two cents worth in lately as you all have so eloquently expressed many of my own feelings, especially regarding reading with the Optacon 1. I feel so lucky to have been taught how to write print and read embossed print before the Optacon came into my life. Just the fact that I can identify mail with an Optacon and do an everyday task so much more quickly and more easily with it than I ever could do with a scanner is so important to me. Just the fact that I can verify whether I've typed my checks correctly and gotten the part of the bill you detach into its window envelope correctly is for me something that means the difference between being independent and having to hire someone to help me, and I feel proud of the fact that I can maintain that privacy and independence given that I have my Optacon. I know it's been said hundreds of times before by those of us on this list who have a hard time imagining how people not using Optacons can read certain kinds of things, and while we all know about the other options available, I'm just so glad to be of a certain age when the Optacon came out and I learned to Use it in the pre-computer days when having an Optacon opened a whole new world of independence which hadn't been available to us at any time before. Linda G. On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:17:44 -0800, Lori Castner wrote: >I feel that way, too; there is just something about the immediacy of the >material and the personal contact with the page. > >Lori C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nick Dotson" <_nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:nickdotson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) > >To: <_optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) > >Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:47 AM >Subject: [optacon-l] Re: e: Re: optacon 1 VS. 2 > > >>I call my Optacon the number 1 element in my technological arsenal for >>independence. I like the speed I get with other solutions, but I feel an >>inner glow of pride when my finger and brain are involved in the process >>of >>directly reading "mystery print" from an apparently blank brailleless >>page. >>(grin) >> >>Nick >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Sue Mangis" <_susanmangis@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:susanmangis@xxxxxxxxxxx) > >>To: <_optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:optacon-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) > >>Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:51 PM >>Subject: [optacon-l] e: Re: optacon 1 VS. 2 >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>Each tool we use makes us more independent. Each tool has a job >>>and I can pull the tool I need from the toolbox to complete a >>>task. It's good to have choices. >>> >>>Sue Mangis >>>to view the list archives, go to: >>> >>>www.freelists.org/archives/optacon-l >>> >>>To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: >>> >>>optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the >>>quotes) in the message subject. >>> >>>Tell your friends about the list. They can subscribe by sending a >>>message >>>to: >>> >>>optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "subscribe" (without the >>>quotes) in the message subject. >>> >> >>to view the list archives, go to: >> >>www.freelists.org/archives/optacon-l >> >>To unsubscribe at any time, just send a message to: >> >>optacon-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the >>quotes) in the message subject. >> >>Tell your friends about the list. 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