[ola] Re: complete sentences vs. memorized phrases/listing
- From: Thomas Hinkle <thinkle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ola@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 15:59:03 -0500
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Thomas Hinkle <
thinkle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I don't know if it's helpful, but I try to look for a variety of
> sentences. Given that the same student who produced all the "me _____o"
> sentences also produces sentences w/ MI favorito es...", and so on, it
> sounds more like they're actually creating sentences with language as
> opposed to just producing a list.
>
> The only thing that strikes me as surprising (or suspicious) about your
> example is that it so correct. I would expect more errors from a student
> who's really starting to create with language. We would expect to see some
> overgeneralization of patterns (perhaps "me soy" after learning reflexives,
> for example), more interference from internalized English grammar and so on.
>
> As to questions, I think your final point is dead on -- it's not about
> whether the closed question is "wrong" but whether you move on to give them
> opportunities to create larger chunks of language at another point in the
> assessment (this is harder when an assessment is not 1:1 -- recorded
> speech, partner work, and so on)
>
> The
>
Tom -- my name is Tom, not "the." Can we tell it's Friday afternoon?
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:48 PM, JoAnna Coleman <joannac@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hello all -
>>
>>
>> During oral assessments, I sometimes have a difficult time
>> distinguishing between what would be considered complete sentences vs. a
>> memorized phrase/chunk or listing
>>
>>
>> What would you say about the following in an oral assessment? (2nd year
>> Spanish)
>>
>>
>> Describe tu rutina por la manana:
>>
>> *Me despierto a las seis todos los dias, entonces me levanto lentamente y
>> voy al bano. Me ducho en la ducha con agua caliente, me lavo el pelo con
>> champu, y el cuerpo con jabon. Mi jabon favorito es Dove y mi champu
>> favorito es Suave. Despues, me seco con una toalla, etc...*
>>
>>
>> These are, in fact, phrases that students have memorized/internalized
>> in a list, but they are also complete sentences. (he isn't saying yo ir, yo
>> champu pelo, yo favorito Dove, etc...)
>>
>>
>> Also, when a student answers a question with a phrase/chunk that you
>> wouldn't naturally a complete sentence, how do you assess that?
>>
>>
>> *Example: *
>>
>> question: *con que frecuencia te lavas el pelo*?
>>
>> answer: *todos los dias* (it seems unnatural for me to insist that they
>> answer this question with a complete sentence, *me lavo el pelo todos
>> los dias*)
>>
>>
>> I'm asking the wrong questions, aren't I?
>>
>>
>> I think it's important to ask follow up questions to break up the
>> somewhat memorized monologue they've prepared for "describe tu rutina por
>> la manana" to see what they do when caught off guard with a question: will
>> they revert to phrases/chunks/listing or maintain complete sentences?
>>
>>
>> Thanks and happy Friday!
>>
>>
>> JoAnna Coleman
>> Spanish Teacher
>> Wilson High School
>> 503-916-5280 ext. 75231
>> joannac@xxxxxxx
>> http://profecoleman.wordpress.com/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Hinkle
> English & Spanish Department Coordinator
> Innovation Academy Charter School
>
>
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Thomas Hinkle
English & Spanish Department Coordinator
Innovation Academy Charter School
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