[ola] Re: complete sentences vs. memorized phrases/listing
- From: Thomas Hinkle <thinkle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ola@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 15:58:14 -0500
I don't know if it's helpful, but I try to look for a variety of sentences.
Given that the same student who produced all the "me _____o" sentences also
produces sentences w/ MI favorito es...", and so on, it sounds more like
they're actually creating sentences with language as opposed to just
producing a list.
The only thing that strikes me as surprising (or suspicious) about your
example is that it so correct. I would expect more errors from a student
who's really starting to create with language. We would expect to see some
overgeneralization of patterns (perhaps "me soy" after learning reflexives,
for example), more interference from internalized English grammar and so on.
As to questions, I think your final point is dead on -- it's not about
whether the closed question is "wrong" but whether you move on to give them
opportunities to create larger chunks of language at another point in the
assessment (this is harder when an assessment is not 1:1 -- recorded
speech, partner work, and so on)
The
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 3:48 PM, JoAnna Coleman <joannac@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello all -
>
>
> During oral assessments, I sometimes have a difficult time
> distinguishing between what would be considered complete sentences vs. a
> memorized phrase/chunk or listing
>
>
> What would you say about the following in an oral assessment? (2nd year
> Spanish)
>
>
> Describe tu rutina por la manana:
>
> *Me despierto a las seis todos los dias, entonces me levanto lentamente y
> voy al bano. Me ducho en la ducha con agua caliente, me lavo el pelo con
> champu, y el cuerpo con jabon. Mi jabon favorito es Dove y mi champu
> favorito es Suave. Despues, me seco con una toalla, etc...*
>
>
> These are, in fact, phrases that students have memorized/internalized in
> a list, but they are also complete sentences. (he isn't saying yo ir, yo
> champu pelo, yo favorito Dove, etc...)
>
>
> Also, when a student answers a question with a phrase/chunk that you
> wouldn't naturally a complete sentence, how do you assess that?
>
>
> *Example: *
>
> question: *con que frecuencia te lavas el pelo*?
>
> answer: *todos los dias* (it seems unnatural for me to insist that they
> answer this question with a complete sentence, *me lavo el pelo todos los
> dias*)
>
>
> I'm asking the wrong questions, aren't I?
>
>
> I think it's important to ask follow up questions to break up the
> somewhat memorized monologue they've prepared for "describe tu rutina por
> la manana" to see what they do when caught off guard with a question: will
> they revert to phrases/chunks/listing or maintain complete sentences?
>
>
> Thanks and happy Friday!
>
>
> JoAnna Coleman
> Spanish Teacher
> Wilson High School
> 503-916-5280 ext. 75231
> joannac@xxxxxxx
> http://profecoleman.wordpress.com/
>
>
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Thomas Hinkle
English & Spanish Department Coordinator
Innovation Academy Charter School
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