Beverly et al., I think that all of the scoters in your various images are Surf Scoters. Starting with the easy part, all ages and all plumages of White-winged Scoter have white in the wings. The birds in question appear to be adult female Surf Scoters. Admittedly, the bird labeled as a female Black Scoter is a bit ambiguous, as it shows a very capped look and a mostly pale face below the eye. However, there is some dark in the lower face pattern that doesn't seem to be right for a Black and the bill looks pretty hefty and has a straighter culmen–at least in the close-up image–than what I would expect to see on a female Black Scoter. I'd like to see more photos of this bird if you, Andy, or Tait have them, but I think it's probably just a young female Surf Scoter with a lighter than normal face pattern. Dave Irons Portland, OR Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:42:58 -0700 Subject: [obol] Scoter Trifecta in Multnomah County From: mapsout@xxxxxxxxxxx To: obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Tait, Andy and I saw 13 Surf Scoters and at least 1 Black Scoter female today - maybe 2 Black Scoter females and maybe a male Black Scoter as well - at Hayden Island-Columbia Point. https://flic.kr/p/pPTXBZ https://flic.kr/p/pPYdzy https://flic.kr/p/pMNjJd https://flic.kr/p/pPE62xI also believe I saw a White-winged Scoter at Broughton Beach although it was too far for good pictures.And then I wonder if these are White-winged Scoters at Hayden Island without the white wing patches or Surf Scoters? The head is very wedge shaped and the facial marks are more oval. https://flic.kr/p/oT7dHePlus the Franklin's Gull was close to the boat launch at Smith/Bybee and Andy and I saw a Northern Shrike behind the Bybee blind (but no photo of that). https://flic.kr/p/pPYrCCGood birding day in Multnomah County!Beverly Hallberg