[obol] Re: Fwd: Obol, recreational or scientific? From The Moderator.........
- From: Judith Doyle <jdoylesmith@xxxxxxx>
- To: "deweysage@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <deweysage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:31:21 -0700
I enjoy all the information that is available & where to find birds. I don't
post because I'm more interested in bird behavior and habitat then counting
birds. Thanks to all of you who do. Judy
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:08 PM, DJ Lauten and KACastelein
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> Hello Obolites,
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> So, I got this email today (below) from a relatively new OBOLer.
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> 1) Sad that some people refuse to contribute to OBOL.
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> 2) Sad that they won't because apparently we have a reputation for being
> "grouchy people".
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> I will say that not contributing to OBOL because you think some of us are
> "grouchy" is a bit defeating. Just because some politicians are grouchy
> doesn't mean we shouldn't participate. Maybe if these folks contributed more
> it wouldn't be such a grouchy place. Be the change you seek.
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> But with that said, maybe the heavy weights involved here ought to check
> themselves at the OBOL door and try a little harder not to be grouchy. If
> you don't have something nice to say, don't say it.
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> And maybe this is all like the fog blowing past my house right now. It will
> come and go and form and reform and evaporate, over and over again.
> Eventually the sun shines through.
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> Carry on,
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> Cheers
> Dave Lauten
> OBOL moderator
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> I would have to assume it is no secret that many birders read obol but shy
> away from posting due to the attitudes of some of the participants. I am new
> to birding and have posted some pretty silly questions. Not once have I been
> chastised, but the main debates seem to be between experienced people. When
> I am out birding I almost always ask other birders what they have seen, what
> they might be looking for. When I have asked if they frequent obol I have
> gotten mostly eye rolling about grouchy people. I personally know people
> that are intimidated and do not post even though they have valid questions.
> I sometimes post for other people because of that.
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> Then there are people like Bob archer who challenged me to determine what
> type of hawk I had submitted a photograph of and explain my reasoning. I
> loved that response, a natural teacher. It was a cooper's, not a sharpie and
> he explained why after I had sent him my reasoning.
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> I guess the reason I am writing this is to try and find a way to keep obol
> positive and encourage recreational birders like me. I do like many of the
> more serious post and scientific nature of much of obol but some dissuade
> people from participating.
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> Not my place to say any of this really, please don't take offense. I have
> had a great time recently finding new places and new birds and would love to
> encourage more people to get involved.
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> I have gone out birding with very knowledgeably person, one of the most
> prolific posters on Ebird and he reads obol, but I have seen only one posting
> from him. He said he doesn't post because of the attitude of some people.
> He would benefit obol with his knowledge.
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