I would amend this to say, you cannot include California Condor on your official, competitive ABA list (and by extention, your official, competitive Oregon list, county list etc). I will proudly put this on every other list I keep, because, let's face it, it's a condor and we should be free to brag about having seen one. I am especially looking forward to putting one on my "things I've seen sitting on a dead whale list" which like most of my lists is not bound by the strictures of our ABA overlords. > If you happened to see the last Condor in Oregon in Drain in July > 1903, you can count them. Otherwise they are not countable. The ones > released in California and Utah are still not countable despite > having been first released over a decade ago. The general ABA rule > is that a population has to be self-sustaining and increasing in > order for an introduced species to be countable. At this point they > are not self-sustaining, let alone increasing. It will be decades > before they would be countable here again. -- Mike Patterson Astoria, OR Some assembly required http://www.surfbirds.com/community-blogs/northcoastdiaries/?p=1888 OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx