Oops, my bad, the last Condor was in Drain in March of 1904, seen by George Peck who had also seen two birds there in July 1903. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Tom Crabtree [mailto:tc@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 10:10 AM To: 'romain@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'; 'OBOL' Subject: RE: [obol] Condors over Oregon ? If you happened to see the last Condor in Oregon in Drain in July 1903, you can count them. Otherwise they are not countable. The ones released in California and Utah are still not countable despite having been first released over a decade ago. The general ABA rule is that a population has to be self-sustaining and increasing in order for an introduced species to be countable. At this point they are not self-sustaining, let alone increasing. It will be decades before they would be countable here again. Tom Crabtree, Bend -----Original Message----- From: obol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:obol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Romain Cooper How long until CA Condors will be countable in Oregon or are they now ? OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx