I'm suggesting that even if you're not interested in becoming a Word maven, you can still do well with any of the courses she offers. Word 301 isn't all about VBA but it will get you started down the path. I'd follow that up with the Autoforms class. From what I can remember of the syllabus for Advanced Document Design, this one has little to do with what you're after. Dian has also written some e-books that go along with the classes (www.mousetrax.com/books.html) that can serve as companions to the course. The material covered is not what I'd call complex VB coding because the majority of the complexity she's treating here is a direct result of the Word object model. However, there's very little need in the real world for writing complex code when you're using VB(A,Script). Learning to deal with code complexity is a function of using the language and object models. So either of these courses can get you going and doing some satisfyingly cool stuff to make the learning stick. Instead of holding you deep into the concepts of clean code, recursive processing, etc., she focuses on how to get the job done without losing you along the way. ...and just because I'm feeling gamey today, I've got to throw something out in front of you to expand on Dian's VBA example she posted earlier. I'm a geek so this one will have to do with your file system...but it's not about the Operating System because you'll do it from within Word (So there, Linda!) You'll remember that Dian suggested going to the tools menu, clicking on Macros, etc., and typing the name of a new macro followed by pasting in her code and running it, right? Well, do all that a second time but this time name the new macro RecursiveDir. This is one of those "Oh cool!" things that always tickle my geek gland. All the macro will do is connect to the file system and, starting at the folder you provide, will give you a Word document listing all the files and folders below that path. It will do this by operating recursively (in other words, the subroutine calls itself over and over). You can press F5 as Dian had you do with her example and you'll get the boring old directory listing as a Word document...and miss the cool part.<g> So, instead of using F5 to run the code, press F7 to step through the code one instruction at a time (Make sure your cursor is somewhere inside the RecursiveDir macro before you press F7 or F5). Here's what your final code should look like (Copy and Paste will work, too): Sub RecursiveDir() Dim strStartDirectory As String strStartDirectory = InputBox(Prompt:="Enter a path (c:\windows)") Selection.Font.Size = 7 Selection.TypeText Text:=strStartDirectory & vbCrLf EnumerateFiles (strStartDirectory) EnumerateFolders (strStartDirectory) End Sub Sub EnumerateFiles(strDir As String) Dim objFSO, FSOFiles, objFiles Set objFSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") Set FSOFiles = objFSO.GetFolder(strDir) Set objFiles = FSOFiles.Files For Each objFile In objFiles Selection.Font.Size = 7 Selection.TypeText Text:=vbTab & objFile.Name & vbCrLf Next objFile End Sub Sub EnumerateFolders(strDir As String) Dim objFSO, FSOFOlder, objFolder Set objFSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject") Set FSOFOlder = objFSO.GetFolder(strDir) Set objFolders = FSOFOlder.SubFolders For Each objFolder In objFolders Selection.Font.Size = 7 Selection.TypeText Text:=objFolder.Path & vbCrLf EnumerateFiles (objFolder) EnumerateFolders (objFolder) Next End Sub Okay, so there are only 3 subroutines there and the one called EnumerateFolders calls itself over and over and over, each time supplying itself with yet another directory to examine. That's just cool geeky stuff! Again, if this is too much to consider now, hang on to it because it will eventually make sense and it's worth the effort. BTW, if you do use c:\windows as the starting path when you run the program, be prepared for this to take a few minutes to finish the job if you press F5. The end result will be a Word document of about 200 pages, a book unto itself. ...and I hate programming.<g> Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com "Counting in binary is as easy as 01, 10, 11! With thinking this clear, is coding really a good idea?" > -----Original Message----- > From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carol Parent > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:46 AM > To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [mso] Re: Online VB Classes > > > > > Word Advanced Techniques (301) Course > Word AutoForms and Beginning VBA Course > Word Advanced Document Design Course > http://www.mousetrax.com/techclasses.html >>>I do recommend Dian's classes on VBA and Word to get going.<<<<< Hello Greg, Are you recommending the Beginning VBA course? I noted VBA is mentioned in descriptions for the first two classes but would like to clarify which is 'best' for learning beginning VBA? Thanks much. Best regards, Carol Parent info@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.tecminn.com I finally got it all together... 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