Hi All Dave said 'I sometimes wonder about the mentality of car/ van drivers, who in their right mind, would take on 150tons of scrap metal thats moving at 20mph' It reminds me of a tale David Shepherd told in his book a 'Brush With Steam' It was at the time he and a small group were based at Liss in Hampshire. The residents were not to happy with these steam engines and one little old lady threatened to Ram 'Black Prince' with her mini if he didnt move it out of her way! Just goes to show some people havent got a clue. Andy MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.