Terry, I agree about the time to make one. When you consider the tiem to build a loco and tender, the time to build the tool is very minimal. There are those out there who just want to see the product finisher and not spen time making tools. Personally I get more satisfaction from building the tools. Now it is time to get into the workshop for an hour or so. Regards, John MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.