AWave will create basic voices. You can convert some soundfont or Akai programs to Motif voices. However, AWave doesn't support the XS, and it is a little dumb about how it converts voices, so you can only convert voices with four velocity layers. Bryan ________________________________ From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:15 PM To: moaccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question Isn't there also software like AWave Studio that makes this stuff easier? > Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:06:45 -0400 > From: bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Depends on what you want to do. You don't have to create sounds > completely from scratch, you know. I was writing all of that out so > people would see how it all fits together. > > If you just want to play one shot samples like stabs and hits, then the > easiest way is to use a drum voice. You can make an empty drum kit and > load samples directly on to keys from a flash disk. > > If you want a bunch of samples just for use in one song or pattern, then > you use the sample mode from song or pattern mode, set the type to > sample+note, and then you can record directly on to keys. In this case, > the Motif will automatically make you what is called a "sample voice". A > sample voice is a voice that only exists with in the current song or > pattern, and can only play one waveform. You can, of course, store up to > 127 individual samples in a single waveform, so this means that you > could have one track in the sequencer that could trigger many samples. > > It is a good idea to hunt around for these shortcuts. The Motif will let > you edit samples, keybanks, waveforms, voice elements, voice common > settings, per-part mixing settings, and all of the other little pieces > that go into making a voice. However, you don't have to edit all of that > unless you want to. For most common tasks, the Motif has time saving > tricks that set most of the stuff up for you, so you have a framework, > and you can just drop in the bit that matters. Kind of how, on most > synths, if you find a voice you like, but it doesn't completely suit > your needs, you must edit it and save it as a user voice. On the Motif, > though, you can tweak a lot of parts of the voice from inside your song > with out having to save a new version of the voice. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:29 PM > To: moaccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question > > > Wow! Thanks Bryan! That still sounds like alot of work though. I'm > thinking that if someone is more into the music production and writing > end of things, it might be worth it just to generate sounds from other > synths, rather than go through the toil of loading new samples and > working with them in the motif. > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: driza97@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:00:57 -0500 > > > > > > man!! lol!! this is definitely a keeper!! > > What Da Hzzy! > Driza aka Drizabizeats > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bryan Smart > > To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question > > > > On all Motifs, the basic sound element is a sample. This is a one-shot > recording (like a drum sound), or a single note on an instrument (like a > C played on a piano). > > > > The Motif doesn't play samples directly. Instead, the Motif combines > individual samples into waveforms. You can have a waveform that contains > a single sample that is mapped all of the way across the keyboard (like > a drum sound that plays higher or lower as you play along the keyboard), > or a complex waveform (such as a piano that uses a different sample for > each key). The samples that are contained in a waveform, and the key > ranges that trigger that sample are described by what is called a > keybank. > > > > So, to recap, its like this. > > > > Waveforms contain one or more keybanks. Each keybank references a > sample, and indicates the range across the keyboard or a range of > velocities that will trigger it. > > > > Usually, when you load a sample into the Motif, the Motif will start a > new waveform for you, will create one keybank inside that waveform, will > set the keybank to play your loaded sample, and will map that keybank so > that it is triggered by all keys and all velocity ranges. > > > > If you want to edit waveforms, you have to use the sample mode on the > Motif. > > > > Once you have built a waveform, you can use John's editors to create > voices from them. > > > > To make this clearer, here is an example. Suppose we want to make our > own voice that plays a piano together with strings. We want to use the > built-in string sound, but we'd like our own piano. > > > > For our basic piano, we aren't going to record each note. Instead, we > decide to record each C (from the bottom C to the top C). That gives us > 6 Cs, I think. Then, we load these 6 recordings of C played in each > octave into the Motif. Now, we make a new waveform. We create 6 > keybanks, and we map each of our 6 samples to these 6 keybanks. We set > the root note of each of the keybanks to the same note that was recorded > on the piano. Now, when we play middle C, we hear the same middle C that > we recorded on the piano. When we play the C above middle C, we hear the > appropriate recording, also. When we play the notes in-between, though, > we hear nothing. That's because we didn't record samples for every key. > To deal with that, we can set the keybank for middle C so that, instead > of being triggered only when we play middle C on the Motif, it will be > triggered by everything from the A flat below middle C up to the G above > middle C. We don't have samples for those notes, but what the Motif will > do is to pitch middle C down or up to play the appropriate pitch. We > repeat this stretching for each of the 6 keybanks. When we're finished, > we can play all across the keyboard, and the Motif will play the sample > with the nearest pitch to the note that we're playing. All of these > settings make up a waveform, and we make them all in the Sampling mode. > One odd thing though, while we'd hear the correct samples at this point, > they won't exactly play like a piano. As soon as we let go of a key, the > sound will immediately cut off with out even a brief decay. Playing hard > or sof on the keyboard will produce a louder or softer tone, but only in > terms of volume (the soft notes won't seem dulled out). This is because > all of that is handled by synthesis. In sample mode, we're just mapping > samples to keys. > > > > Now that we have a waveform that triggers appropriate samples to play a > piano, we can make a voice out of it. Here, we can use the editor. > Basically, we start a new voice, select synthesizer element 1 (we have 8 > of them), and set its waveform to the piano waveform that we just > created. When we play the keyboard, we should hear the Motif responding > just like it did when we were playing the waveform in the sampling mode. > Now, we can use the amplifier envelope generator to cause the samples to > have a slight decay when we let go of a key. We can use the filter > settings to map key velocity to filter cut off, so that playing the > keyboard softer causes the filter to be slightly closed, and therefore > dull the sound. > > > > We can add strings to the piano by enabling synth element 2, and setting > its waveform to one of the built-in strings waveforms. > > > > If we wanted to get fancy, we can simulate the thunk when you release a > piano key by enabling a third element, selecting the built-in piano key > release waveform, and setting that element's XA control to trigger that > element only when a key is released. > > > > You don't need to go through all of this to make a voice, though. If > you're trying to use stabs or one-shot samples, you can make waveforms > with a single keybank (in many cases the Motif will do this for you when > you load the wav file or sample directly from the Motif). If you want to > make a voice, you don't need to sample your own instruments and build > your own waveforms, as the Motif is bursting with waveforms that are > ready to go. Unlike a lot of synths (like Rolands), the Motif waveforms > are recorded with out any effects. They're raw recordings of the > instruments, and it is up to the synthesizer settings in the voice > programming to make them sound like a particular instrument. For > example, there are only two sets of electric guitar samples in the XS, > but they are detailed sets that are made directly from the pickups of a > guitar, and include many velocity layers (dead notes, mute notes, three > levels of open strings, slap, harmonic tone, and slide). Every voice can > process those same raw samples through eqs, compressors, and amp > simulators in order to get a specific tone. Then, you still have enough > effects power left over to add some big attention grabber like delay, > chorus, flanger, etc. This is more like how a guitar sound is built in a > studio. You start with a strat (Strat waveform on the Motif), adjust the > pickup levels and tone knobs on the guitar (element EQs), plug into an > amp (Motif amp sims), add stomp boxes or out-board mix effects (Motif > insert effects), and you have a guitar voice. One reason the Motif > sounds so different than other synths when simulating real instruments > is because instead of having two dozen different guitar samples, all > fighting for memory, Yamaha gives us 2 very high quality sets of raw > samples, and then gives us the tools to build our own specific tone > through the synthesizer engine. > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:09 AM > To: moaccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question > > > Thanks. With the editors, are you able to set parameters on voices? If > so, would this include sample voices, once you've keygrouped them and > assigned them to user banks? > > > From: lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question > > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:15:17 -0500 > > > > While you can't edit the wav files using the editors, you can, > > however, assign samples to key banks, and subsequent key banks to a > > voice. You'll have to do all your editing of the files on your pc, or > > in the intagrated sample mode on the mo, but without the aid of the > editors. Hope this helps. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Omar Binno" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 6:51 AM > > Subject: [MoAccess] voice editor question > > > > > > > > Hello Folks, > > > > It's been a while since I've posted on here, so been out of the loop > > for a bit. Not sure if this has been asked recently on here, but I > > have a question about the Motif XS Voice editors. 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