Isn't there also software like AWave Studio that makes this stuff easier?> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:06:45 -0400> From: bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Depends on what you want to do. You don't have to create sounds> completely from scratch, you know. I was writing all of that out so> people would see how it all fits together.> > If you just want to play one shot samples like stabs and hits, then the> easiest way is to use a drum voice. You can make an empty drum kit and> load samples directly on to keys from a flash disk.> > If you want a bunch of samples just for use in one song or pattern, then> you use the sample mode from song or pattern mode, set the type to> sample+note, and then you can record directly on to keys. In this case,> the Motif will automatically make you what is called a "sample voice". A> sample voice is a voice that only exists with in the current song or> pattern, and can only play one waveform. You can, of course, store up to> 127 individual samples in a single waveform, so this means that you> could have one track in the sequencer that could trigger many samples.> > It is a good idea to hunt around for these shortcuts. The Motif will let> you edit samples, keybanks, waveforms, voice elements, voice common> settings, per-part mixing settings, and all of the other little pieces> that go into making a voice. However, you don't have to edit all of that> unless you want to. For most common tasks, the Motif has time saving> tricks that set most of the stuff up for you, so you have a framework,> and you can just drop in the bit that matters. Kind of how, on most> synths, if you find a voice you like, but it doesn't completely suit> your needs, you must edit it and save it as a user voice. On the Motif,> though, you can tweak a lot of parts of the voice from inside your song> with out having to save a new version of the voice.> > Bryan> > -----Original Message-----> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:29 PM> To: moaccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question> > > Wow! Thanks Bryan! That still sounds like alot of work though. I'm> thinking that if someone is more into the music production and writing> end of things, it might be worth it just to generate sounds from other> synths, rather than go through the toil of loading new samples and> working with them in the motif.> > > > > ________________________________> > From: driza97@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:00:57 -0500> > > > > > man!! lol!! this is definitely a keeper!!> > What Da Hzzy!> Driza aka Drizabizeats> > > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Bryan Smart> > To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:43 AM> > Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question> > > > On all Motifs, the basic sound element is a sample. This is a one-shot> recording (like a drum sound), or a single note on an instrument (like a> C played on a piano).> > > > The Motif doesn't play samples directly. Instead, the Motif combines> individual samples into waveforms. You can have a waveform that contains> a single sample that is mapped all of the way across the keyboard (like> a drum sound that plays higher or lower as you play along the keyboard),> or a complex waveform (such as a piano that uses a different sample for> each key). The samples that are contained in a waveform, and the key> ranges that trigger that sample are described by what is called a> keybank.> > > > So, to recap, its like this.> > > > Waveforms contain one or more keybanks. Each keybank references a> sample, and indicates the range across the keyboard or a range of> velocities that will trigger it.> > > > Usually, when you load a sample into the Motif, the Motif will start a> new waveform for you, will create one keybank inside that waveform, will> set the keybank to play your loaded sample, and will map that keybank so> that it is triggered by all keys and all velocity ranges.> > > > If you want to edit waveforms, you have to use the sample mode on the> Motif.> > > > Once you have built a waveform, you can use John's editors to create> voices from them.> > > > To make this clearer, here is an example. Suppose we want to make our> own voice that plays a piano together with strings. We want to use the> built-in string sound, but we'd like our own piano.> > > > For our basic piano, we aren't going to record each note. Instead, we> decide to record each C (from the bottom C to the top C). That gives us> 6 Cs, I think. Then, we load these 6 recordings of C played in each> octave into the Motif. Now, we make a new waveform. We create 6> keybanks, and we map each of our 6 samples to these 6 keybanks. We set> the root note of each of the keybanks to the same note that was recorded> on the piano. Now, when we play middle C, we hear the same middle C that> we recorded on the piano. When we play the C above middle C, we hear the> appropriate recording, also. When we play the notes in-between, though,> we hear nothing. That's because we didn't record samples for every key.> To deal with that, we can set the keybank for middle C so that, instead> of being triggered only when we play middle C on the Motif, it will be> triggered by everything from the A flat below middle C up to the G above> middle C. We don't have samples for those notes, but what the Motif will> do is to pitch middle C down or up to play the appropriate pitch. We> repeat this stretching for each of the 6 keybanks. When we're finished,> we can play all across the keyboard, and the Motif will play the sample> with the nearest pitch to the note that we're playing. All of these> settings make up a waveform, and we make them all in the Sampling mode.> One odd thing though, while we'd hear the correct samples at this point,> they won't exactly play like a piano. As soon as we let go of a key, the> sound will immediately cut off with out even a brief decay. Playing hard> or sof on the keyboard will produce a louder or softer tone, but only in> terms of volume (the soft notes won't seem dulled out). This is because> all of that is handled by synthesis. In sample mode, we're just mapping> samples to keys.> > > > Now that we have a waveform that triggers appropriate samples to play a> piano, we can make a voice out of it. Here, we can use the editor.> Basically, we start a new voice, select synthesizer element 1 (we have 8> of them), and set its waveform to the piano waveform that we just> created. When we play the keyboard, we should hear the Motif responding> just like it did when we were playing the waveform in the sampling mode.> Now, we can use the amplifier envelope generator to cause the samples to> have a slight decay when we let go of a key. We can use the filter> settings to map key velocity to filter cut off, so that playing the> keyboard softer causes the filter to be slightly closed, and therefore> dull the sound.> > > > We can add strings to the piano by enabling synth element 2, and setting> its waveform to one of the built-in strings waveforms.> > > > If we wanted to get fancy, we can simulate the thunk when you release a> piano key by enabling a third element, selecting the built-in piano key> release waveform, and setting that element's XA control to trigger that> element only when a key is released.> > > > You don't need to go through all of this to make a voice, though. If> you're trying to use stabs or one-shot samples, you can make waveforms> with a single keybank (in many cases the Motif will do this for you when> you load the wav file or sample directly from the Motif). If you want to> make a voice, you don't need to sample your own instruments and build> your own waveforms, as the Motif is bursting with waveforms that are> ready to go. Unlike a lot of synths (like Rolands), the Motif waveforms> are recorded with out any effects. They're raw recordings of the> instruments, and it is up to the synthesizer settings in the voice> programming to make them sound like a particular instrument. For> example, there are only two sets of electric guitar samples in the XS,> but they are detailed sets that are made directly from the pickups of a> guitar, and include many velocity layers (dead notes, mute notes, three> levels of open strings, slap, harmonic tone, and slide). Every voice can> process those same raw samples through eqs, compressors, and amp> simulators in order to get a specific tone. Then, you still have enough> effects power left over to add some big attention grabber like delay,> chorus, flanger, etc. This is more like how a guitar sound is built in a> studio. You start with a strat (Strat waveform on the Motif), adjust the> pickup levels and tone knobs on the guitar (element EQs), plug into an> amp (Motif amp sims), add stomp boxes or out-board mix effects (Motif> insert effects), and you have a guitar voice. One reason the Motif> sounds so different than other synths when simulating real instruments> is because instead of having two dozen different guitar samples, all> fighting for memory, Yamaha gives us 2 very high quality sets of raw> samples, and then gives us the tools to build our own specific tone> through the synthesizer engine.> > > > Bryan> > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:09 AM> To: moaccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question> > > Thanks. With the editors, are you able to set parameters on voices? If> so, would this include sample voices, once you've keygrouped them and> assigned them to user banks?> > > From: lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [MoAccess] voice editor question> > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:15:17 -0500> >> > While you can't edit the wav files using the editors, you can, > > however, assign samples to key banks, and subsequent key banks to a > > voice. You'll have to do all your editing of the files on your pc, or > > in the intagrated sample mode on the mo, but without the aid of the> editors. Hope this helps.> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Omar Binno" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 6:51 AM> > Subject: [MoAccess] voice editor question> >> >> >> > Hello Folks,> >> > It's been a while since I've posted on here, so been out of the loop > > for a bit. Not sure if this has been asked recently on here, but I > > have a question about the Motif XS Voice editors. Will they give us > > access to editing wav samples we import into the Motif? Can we > > keygroup samples via the Voice Editors?> >> > Thanks for any help.> >> > _________________________________________________________________> > It's easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through> > > Windows Live(tm) Messenger. Learn how.> > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow> > For links to all Motif info for blind owners, visit www.MoAccess.info.> > To change your list options and view archives for the MoAccess list, > > visit www.freelists.org/list/moaccess.> >> >> > For links to all Motif info for blind owners, visit www.MoAccess.info.> > To change your list options and view archives for the MoAccess list,> visit www.freelists.org/list/moaccess.> > > ________________________________> > Now you can invite friends from Facebook and other groups to join you on> Windows Live(tm) Messenger. 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