[macvoiceover] Re: getting windows out of your head:

  • From: Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:14:08 -0500

If AppleScript works with VO, Apple has already supplied a solution superior to that in JAWS as it doesn't inject another layer of ambiguity and potentially instability. Also, AppleScript is unlikely to be broken every time VO gets rev'd - a problem notorious in JAWS.


As for moving from a JAWS and Windows world, I can only recommend total emersion therapy. Put aside the Windows boxes for at least a month and dive right into Macintosh and VO world. I struggled with a ton of frustration and feelings of severe stupidity when I still searched for JAWS buried somewhere in VO. I think a keystroke compatibility mode might be helpful but, as a whole, one really needs to learn and understand Macintosh and VO to be highly productive with it.


On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:50 AM, David Poehlman wrote:

I am right on both counts. The what could be needs to be approached quite carefully and I covered that in my previous message. For more food for thought, consider this. Apple providing scripting for accessibility will be lamented as not comparable with JAWS but nonetheless, for voiceover and universal access, it would be the correct solution. As I said in my message, accessibility is about being able to carry out tasks and getting proper feedback.

On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:45 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Why not compare the differences and say Voiceover does one thing better, but another thing not quite as well.

I think you are right when talking about what is, but not when talking about what could be.

Everett


On 3-Feb-09, at 12:25 PM, David Poehlman wrote:

The discussion on scripting prompts me to write this. It is important that we look at voiceover in terms of voiceover and the mac os. When we attempt to do otherwise, we muddy the watters for ourselves and others. It is one thing to say that we need a way to carry out functions and be provided with proper feedback and information. It is quite another to expect that what works in windows can be applied to mac os.


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