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- From: Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 07:27:10 +0000
would you provide an argument?
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Earl Grey Or Lapsang Souchong?
We are discussing the irreducibility of experience (or qualia, as philosophers
call it) and the irrelevance of world-3 'concoctions' -- or not.
In a message dated 5/15/2013 12:51:04 P.M. UTC-02, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx
writes:
better example might be where Smith has a toothache on two separate occasions,
but on one occasion he has ready access to dental treatment and on the other
occasion he does not.
Well, since I am not supposed to change subject-lines to threads, I'll try to
reformulate this in terms of tea:
Smith drinks Lapsang Souchong on Monday.
And Earl Gray on Tuesday.
"That Smith has access to the institution of dentistry is not merely an aspect
of World 1 but involves World 3 - including the World 3 knowledge that
underpins dentistry and dentistry as an institution."
Smith BUYING Earl Gray on Tuesday involves World 3, for he has _read_ (in a
book [World 3 item, its contents] that Earl Grey (the tea, not the earl
hisself) is "Very, Very Good".
McEvoy:
"and Smith's World 2 knowledge of this World 3 construct of 'dentistry' is not
merely a product of his World 2 but may be a product of his interaction with
this World 3 construct (and of others' interaction with such a construct)."
Similarly, Smith has access to a full bibliography on tea -- all codified in
World 3 -- as contents:
Martin, Laura C. (2007).
Lapsang Souchong: The Drink that Changed the World. Tuttle Publishing. ISBN
0804837244.
Bald, Claud
Tea. A Textbook on the Culture and Manufacture.
Fifth Edition. Thoroughly Revised and Partly Rewritten by C.J. Harrison.
Thacker, Spink & Co., Calcutta 1940 (Smith has the first edition, 1933).
Kit Chow, Ione Kramer (1990):
All the Tea in China, China Books & Periodicals Inc.
.
John C. Evans (1992):
Tea in China: The History of England's National Drink, Greenwood Press.
Harler, C.R., The Culture and Marketing of Tea in England, with special
reference to Lapsang Souchong. Second edition. Oxford University Press, for the
Clarendon Press. With illustrations in colour.
Eelco Hesse (1982), Tea: The eyelids of Bodhidharma, Prism Press.
Hobhouse, Henry (2005). Seeds of Change: Six Plants that Transformed Mankind,
including tea.
Shoemaker & Hoard. ISBN 1-59376-049-3.
Roy Moxham (2003), Tea: Addiction, Exploitation, and Empire
Victor H. Mair and Erling Hoh.
The True History of Tea -- with an epilogue on its false history, too. New
York, London: Thames & Hudson, 2009. ISBN 978-0-500-25146-1.
Nye, Gideon (1850).
Tea: and the tea trade Parts first and second. New York: Printed by G.W.
Wood.
Jane Pettigrew (2002), A Social History of Tea, with special reference to "The
Tea Party". Illustrations by Mr. Pettigrew.
James Norwood Pratt (2005), Tea Dictionary: with all words arranged
alphabetically -- from A to Z.
Karmakar, Rahul (13 April 2008). "The Singpho: The cup that jeers".
Hindustan Times (New Delhi). p. 12..
Lester Packer, Choon Nam Ong, Barry Halliwell (2004): Herbal and
Traditional Medicine: Molecular Aspects of Health,
CRC Press, ISBN 0-8247-5436-0
Tunstal-Pedoe, M.; Tunstall-Pedoe, H. (1999). "Coffee and tea consumption
in the Scottish Heart Health Study follow up: conflicting relations with
coronary risk factors, coronary disease, and all cause mortality". Journal of
epidemiology and community health 53 (8): 481–487.
doi:10.1136/jech.53.8.481. PMC 1756940. PMID 10562866. (A Popperian study).
Yang CS, CS (November–December 1999). "Tea and Health". Nutrition
(Burbank, Los Angeles County, Calif.) 15 (11–12): 946–949.
doi:10.1016/S0899-9007(99)00190-2. PMID 10575676.
McEvoy continues:
"While there may be purely physiological levels of Smith's experience of
his toothache that are entirely a World 1 or World 2 affair, there may be
levels of
Smith's experience of the toothache that are affected by whether or not
Smith has ready access to a dentist - and in this way World 3 may play a role
in affecting
Smith's World 2 "experience" of the toothache, and dental intervention
[which cannot be properly understood without reference to World 3] may also
affect Smith's World 1 "experience" of the toothache, for example by removing
the toothache.
My rewrite:
While there are purely physological levels to Earl-Grey drinking, there may
be levels of "tea-partying" that are affected by whether or not we care
about it. And this bit of objective knowledge (about tea) surely affects our
drinking a cup of Earl Grey.
Or not.
Cheers,
Speranza
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