[lit-ideas] Re: Why are the greatest composers all German?
- From: Carol Kirschenbaum <carolkir@xxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:59:59 -0700
> Come now. Is this a verbal argument ('pop=superficial' etc.)? Surely there
> is
> 'popular' music with depth - how about Beatles' 'A Day In The Life', ...
ck: Andreas's post talks to this list of old icons. More recently (but not
much) Brazilians like Nascimento have distinguished their music from popular
melancholia. Not that I dislike pop melancholia, or Miles Davis's album
_Kind of Blue_. But melancholy is the most easily accessed emotion of depth.
Rammstein digs deeper, into grief (not mere "regret'), and beyond rage into
something more disturbing and complex that belongs more to Beethoven and
Mahler than to U-2.
And I LIKE U-2! This is not a discussion about likes and dislikes in pop or
classical music. I love Jobim, and I adore folksy Arabic music. But few
artists enter the land of awe, and when they do, it's miraculous. Not always
likable, however.
Carol
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From: "Donal McEvoy" <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:35 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Why are the greatest composers all German?
>
>>I haven't heard anything
>> close to Rammstein's profundity on the pop scene.
>> Carol
>
Dylan's
> 'Like A Rolling Stone', Television's 'Marquee Moon', 'Astral Weeks',
> 'Forever
> Changes', Presley's 'Heartbreak Hotel', Radiohead's 'Ok Computer'? (And
> what
> about old _popular_ blues and folk and jazz?).Of course you could be just
> saying none of this is close to the profundity of Rammstein. Never heard
> him.
> But I have heard 'Kind of Blue' - that's popular and has depth, surely?
>
> See, even without yet using ears to check I doubts Rammy is profundier
> than
> Bachers and some poppermost music has I think depths at least closing to
> some
> of that. Plus, of course Bachers and Mozzie and Beethy were popular in
> their
> time - even if not always as recognised as hindsight might tell us.
>
> Donal
> Taking a conciliatory stance in the high/low art wars
> England
>
>
>
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