--- Scribe1865@xxxxxxx wrote: " This group > landed at Philadelphia on > 20 August 1683 and on a second ship 6 October 1683. > They were largely > tradespeople and farmers, and several records exist > of them fighting off (or surviving) > "Indian attacks" in areas of southeastern > Pennsylvania. It's highly unlikely > that Penn paid these people to defend themselves. > > But the land grants and tolerance that William Penn > offered also drew a bunch > of religious groups to PA, who probably had varying > beliefs regarding > self-defense, including: the Tunkers, Labadists, New > Born, New Mooners, Separatists, > Zion's Brueder, Ronsdorfer, Inspired Quietists, > Gichtellians, Depellians, > Mountain Men, River Brethren, Brinser Brethren, The > Society of Women in the > Wilderness, and the Amish. Is it implied here that the only form of violent conduct the colonists were engaging in was self-defense ? Was the legitimacy of self-defense the only moral dilemma they had occasion to face ? O.K. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html