[lit-ideas] Re: The new fascism
- From: Carol Kirschenbaum <carolkir@xxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:20:18 -0800
Hi Marlene,and thank you for responding to my post. I wasn't suggesting that
liberals adopt Republican/Spartan tactics and outdo them, though. Rather,
I'm exploring the ideas--where they come from, and why they're popular--as a
first step. In my opinion, we can't outdo those true believers, and to
attempt that would be a betrayal of our own values--doomed to the deepest
failure. The more Kerry imitated Bush's Christ talk and war talk, the
thinner became the ice on which he stood.
Figure that Bush and his ilk will always out-evangelize the other side. I'm
suggesting that by understand the tenuous link between Bush's Spartan
agenda and his evangelical "base." They're not necessarily natural allies.
Liberals may well be able to expose Bush as not a friend of truly moral
issues. After all, helping those in material need, on this earth, is very
much a part of Jesus's message.
But I also think these issues may be more accessible to us, and more calmly
discussed, if we can manage to address them as they played out between the
Athenians and the Spartans. I'm also suggesting that Karl Rove--a hearty
supporter of Victor Hanson's writings--does just that, on the Spartan side.
Best,
Carol
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Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 4:45 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The new fascism
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2004 6:33:12 PM Central Standard Time,
> carolkir@xxxxxxxx writes:
> Bush exemplifies this style. For a long, long
> time the AA movement--and the churches founded by and for AA members--has
> been looking for its charismatic leader. Voici le roi Bush.
>
>
>
> <g>
>
> Okay, so we need to adopt this as well. And, they were successful (as
our
> programs are) without a charismatic leader. That can come in a couple of
> years.
>
> Actually, it could very well be FUN.
>
> (you have to start with the social butterflies in any movement, I think
<g>)
>
> I'm not sure how to start a national movement but the whole 'house party'
> concept was really a good and healthy start. The key willl be if they
could
> continue.
>
> (even the guy who wrote the Pupose-Driven Life actually began his church
in
> his home because he couldn't find a decent friendly evangelical church ...
and
> it is now huge...)
>
> You are so so right--it's the technique. Maybe I should write a
follow-up
> manual for house-parties so we can train these small group leaders ...
(that
> is what they call them in the larger churches, you know, or the small
group
> Bible studies on college campuses <g>)
>
> It is, also, how the Family Rights Council got started so many years ago
and
> now look at it!
>
> Wondering if the National Dems have thought of continuing the concept...or
> causing it to grow...
> Marlena in Missouri
>
>
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