In a message dated 11/6/2004 5:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, atri2715@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: The fundamentalists step in and provide those values and people just embrace them, because nobody wants to feel empty and confused. Hi, I was thinking about this. (Especially as I have been thinking of what 'religion' provides to and for people...) I remember 'once upon a time' that there were meetings in libraries (for example, but other places as well) where people came together in community settings to discuss varying political topics. Mostly (at least in libraryland), these faded with a rise of churches providing more of the sense of 'community'. Now, we are seeing, in libraryland, a movement (started many years ago and is now becoming quite large) for more of the library to become more of a 'community center' again. Some libraries, like mine, will not have such activities as 'political discussions' as they are just too much 'work' and potentially too controversial for some to want to deal with...but others will and are beginning to do so. Was thinking of how so many people DO (initially) join churches because of the sense of 'community' and support that they receive...(I am thinking here of one of the non-fiction best-selling titles/series on the market today--the fellow's first book is what all the evangelical churches were reading/going through/doing Bible studies for the year before the Billy Graham Crusade came to town a couple of weeks ago: The Purpose-Driven Life by Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., has spent more than 70 weeks on The New York Times' best-seller list. ") The fellow has also written one for pastors: The Purpose-Driven Church. Now, if you really go through the formulas he gives, they are kind of scary if you don't like manipulation. On the other hand, there IS a need for people to have this sense of 'community' and alot of what they do is simply what any growing organization which has a decent hospitality mission is going to do. (Except that there are few other vehicles for that to happen these days--remember 'the soccer moms' in the past? Have any of you ever been involved in the sports culture for kids? It really IS its own subculture...and almost evangelical...I remember when soccer was just beginning to take off in this country--now? Everywhere. But, the other sports are still thriving, as well...ever ask why? NOT just or even because of the kids. Because of the parents. Ever talk to a family as to why they are not involved any longer? Generally it is because they didn't connect with the parents...the kids enjoyed playing [even after they get older--there are always parks and rec teams even for those who don't make the school teams]) There are team get-togethers, informal and formal times of all sorts of gatherings so that the sports faith can grow... I wondered if taking a page from how we do the whole 'hospitality' thing for our programs (remember that I said we wandered the lines of hopeful flu shot folk passing out cookies, juice and coffee? I give talks on how to make a library a welcoming place all the time and food often helps <g>), the evangelical church world, and the sports arena and somehow someway move the re-training of liberal values in a setting whereby other needs will be met as well? (I think of the training of our bookclub leaders--we ALWAYS have to explain that people are not just getting together with like-minded people to share books, they are also looking for a fun and safe place to share ideas and become part of a 'community'.) I'm not sure it is about being 'empty and confused' as it is being alone and afraid of the dark. Just musing about concrete solutions, Marlena in Missouri ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html