Stan I've queried the (to an extent implied) comments about the British media in Starr's piece (NB only the Guardian archives are fully available online free of charge, hence my use of them), w/ref also Sharon Sadeh's Guardian piece. I've checked to see whether there were earlier pieces in the Guardian that fitted what he said (though the ones I cite fit his dates); I can't find any. (Obviously I simply sampled except for April 16 2002, I read all reports on that day.) > Reading this fraudulent argument again -- it's already >been discredited -- well no, Starr's piece and Sadeh's don't in fact refute the HRW allegations. They address reports of a massacre; my point, against Saleh, is that the UK papers (that I read at the time, and, insofar as I can tell) did not buy into, and repeat as fact, tales of hundreds of dead, and as I have shown, their theme was "not a massacre". ********* Interpolation. Human Rights Watch, cited and quoted by Helen, has called on Hezbollah to stop firing rockets into civilian areas in Israel: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Lobbing rockets blindly into civilian areas is without doubt a war crime," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. "Nothing can justify this assault on the most fundamental standards for sparing civilians the hazards of war." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/05/lebano13921.htm back to Jenin. Is the report here the only official one? http://www.un.org/peace/jenin/ Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Spiegel" <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:21 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Rules of War > >In its May 2 report entitled "Jenin: IDF Military Operations," Human Rights > >Watch documented several cases of IDF use of "human shields," including one > >case in which eight Palestinian men, including a fourteen-year-old boy, > >were > >taken from their homes and placed on a balcony overlooking Palestinian > >fighter positions while IDF soldiers fired from behind the men. In another > >case, IDF soldiers put a sixty-five-year-old Palestinian woman on the > >exposed roof of her home during a gun battle. > > Reading this fraudulent argument again -- it's already been discredited -- > is revolting. What we learned about Jenin was this, Helen... > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html