[lit-ideas] Re: Suicide in Europe
- From: carol kirschenbaum <carolkir@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:47:40 -0800
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems this study merely says that
suicide is more prevalent than murder. How else can one die, if not from
illness or accident?
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On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Lawrence Helm
<lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Judy,
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> Thornton published his book in 2007. His references on the subject of
> suicide are
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> "European suicide rates: World Health Organization, *Suicide Prevention in
> Europe *(2002),
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> "American: National Institute for Mental Health, *In Harms Wary: Suicide
> in America *(2003)."
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> Thornton probably didn't have the 2004 edition of WHO's book on suicide
> when he wrote his own book. Interestingly, WHO's reputation doesn't seem
> sterling:
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> http://info-wars.org/2009/11/26/world-health-organization-manufactured-the-global-swine-flu-scare-suspected-of-corruption/
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> http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/111867
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> http://www.rense.com/general88/megawho.htm
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> http://www.forces.org/evidence/who/index.htm
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> Of course Thornton's "suicide" has most to do with the reduction of the
> production of children and the importation of immigrants to make up the
> short fall so the European elderly can continue their retirement
> entitlements. A lot that is in his book seems a rehashing of material
> I've read elsewhere. My own tangent was based more on books I read about
> Europe (including those by Tony Judt) after World War II than Thornton's
> reference to actual suicide, that is, I had been thinking about that for
> some time. Why the West has bifurcated, Western Europe one way and
> America (or Anglo-America?) another is something I have an ongoing interest
> in.
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> Lawrence
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> *From:* lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Judith Evans
> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2010 11:50 AM
> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: Europe, World War II, Suicide and Jason Bourne
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> I am not sure what the various figures actually measure, Lawrence, but for
> what it's worth, reported/recorded suicide rates in European countries are
> not uniformly higher than in the USA. Also I don't know what Thornton's
> sources are, but mine say Luxemburg's figures are more or less identical to
> the USA's. That leaves us, pending further investigation, with four
> European countries with higher suicide rates than those of the US and of
> other European countries.
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> more importantly, Thornton says (I copy the quotation from your blog)
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> "in many European countries, suicide is the second leading cause of death,
> after accidents,"
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> in fact, it's the second leading cause of death, *disease apart*, **among
> teenagers** in Europe (according to a WHO report of 2004). (This teenage
> suicide rate varies greatly across Europe.)
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> That's worrying but doesn't really support your overall thesis.
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> Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK
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> and France's suicide rate is about twice that of the United States', as
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> --- On *Fri, 19/11/10, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
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> From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Europe, World War II, Suicide and Jason Bourne
> To: "Lit-Ideas" <Lit-Ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Friday, 19 November, 2010, 18:08
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> http://www.lawrencehelm.com/2010/11/europe-world-war-ii-suicide-and-jason.html
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> Lawrence
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