Mike, Coincidentally, I just read in Thornton, page 94, "Moreover, part of the Eurabian program is the assertion that the host countries have an obligation to adapt to these multiplying immigrants rather than the other way around. At the EAD's Hamburg Symposium in 1983, workshops recommended that host countries make every effort to learn about, understand, celebrate, and adapt to the culture of the immigrant, including offering instruction in their native languages, and presenting Arabic and Muslim culture in high positive terms." Surely Italian will be easier for you than Arabic, and haven't you always wanted to read Dante in the original? Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of palma Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 6:56 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Suicide in Europe why don't you leanr some language, dr Geary? it is a useful tool and aninteresting experince On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Mike Geary wrote: > Damnit, Palma, how many times have I told you -- English! ENGLISH!!!!! > Christ, you're going to drive me to suicide. > > Mike Geary > Memphis > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:07 PM, palma <palma@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> quacuno alla svelta mi spiega, questa termini e' l'amante di chi ? >> >> >> >> On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, John Wager wrote: >> >> All I know about statistics and suicide is that in the U.S. one is more >>> likely to die by suicide than homicide, and that the chances of being killed >>> by someone else with a handgun are FAR lower than the chances of killing >>> one's self with a handgun. >>> >>> So, statistically speaking, it seems we are all much safer walking the >>> streets at night rather than at home in our own bedroom with that pistol in >>> the drawer. . . . >>> >>> Or maybe I just don't understand statistics. . . . >>> >>> >>> Lawrence Helm wrote: >>> >>>> . . . . >>>> >>>> Of course Thornton's "suicide" has most to do with the reduction of the >>>> production of children and the importation of immigrants to make up the >>>> short fall so the European elderly can continue their retirement >>>> entitlements. A lot that is in his book seems a rehashing of material >>>> I've read elsewhere. My own tangent was based more on books I read about >>>> Europe (including those by Tony Judt) after World War II than Thornton's >>>> reference to actual suicide, that is, I had been thinking about that for >>>> some time. Why the West has bifurcated, Western Europe one way and >>>> America (or Anglo-America?) another is something I have an ongoing >>>> interest in. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| >> /begin/read__>sig.file: postal address >> palma >> University of KwaZulu-Natal Philosophy >> 3rd floor of Memorial Tower Building >> Howard College Campus >> Durban 4041 >> South Africa >> Tel off: [+27] 031 2601591 (sec: Mrs. Yolanda Hordyk) [+27] 031-2602292 >> Fax [+27] 031-2603031 >> mobile 07 62 36 23 91 calling from overseas +[27] 76 2362391 >> EMAIL: palma@xxxxxxxx >> EMAIL: palma@xxxxxxxxxx >> >> MY OFFICE IS A290@Mtb >> >> >> >> *only when in Europe*: inst. J. Nicod >> 29 rue d'Ulm >> f-75005 paris france >> ________ >> This e-mail message (and attachments) is confidential, and/or privileged >> and is intended for the >> use of the addressee only. 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