Thanks for the clarification. I knew this too. But I am thinking that this continual battle between state and federal law is ultimately going to end badly. As you point out, it has done so before. My solution to this marriage issue is to just stop regulating it at all, except for laws re property and children. That is, property rights issues and no marriage between people deemed to be children. Say, under sixteen or so. And then, let clergy marry or not marry people as their religion dictates. Some clergy are already marrying gay couples. Just make it legal for purposes of divorce, property and child welfare and benefits. One can get married by a justice of the peace, a ship captain, a judge, and no clergy are even needed by many people. If I were a religious leader, that's what I would worry about. Veronica Caley ----- Original Message ----- From: John McCreery To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:21 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: States' Rights, Islamism, and the Cordoban Mosque On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: It seems to me that there is an issue that Lawrence brings up that is worth thinking about. Namely, why let people vote and then over rule their vote? The vote was conducted under California law. The overruling was decided under Federal law, in this case the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Federal law was held to supersede California law. The Constitutional issue, which may go to the Supreme Court, concerns states' rights, the issue over which the Civil War was fought. One side will argue that it is the states' prerogative to regulate marriage within their borders. The other will argue that this prerogative is limited by the Constitutional guarantee of equality under the law. I favor the latter, seeing in the judge's decision a clear example of what the authors of the Constitution had in mind when they separated the legislative and judicial branches of government and added the Bill of Rights to ensure that majority rule would not always apply, to protect the rights of minorities. John -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd., Yokohama, JAPAN Tel. +81-45-314-9324 jlm@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.wordworks.jp/