Who on earth are Duke and Wake Forest? -------------------------------------- The former is a well-known university in North Carolina; the latter is a lesser-known university in North Carolina. I assume you're watching some sort of 'reality show' featuring weird initiation rites--? Robert Paul West Lake Oswego OR ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html