[lit-ideas] Re: QPR v Chelsea/ Tessellated Pavement
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:51:03 +0000 (GMT)
This is about the NHS in England, but it's bound to have an effect on the NHS
in Wales.
The Government's trying to remove ministerial, so, governmental, responsibility
for health provision; the Lib Dem peers have fended that off,temporarily
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/nov/02/nhs-bill-clause-hold-lords
NHS hospitals will be allowed to take more private patients, and the cap on
private patient numbers will be removed
this is the Health and Social Care Bill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_and_Social_Care_Bill_2011
>If the NHS goes under, what are the proposed alternatives?
The government doesn't dare admit what it's doing, so there aren't any proposed
alternatives; but most likely is a rump NHS providing very basic services and
some very complex ones, to the poorest and most seriously ill patients, while
the richest and best insured and least ill patients are treated by private
sector organisations billing them or the government... .
Our student fees' issue is different from yours.
Judy Evans, Cardiff
Didn't
realize you all were having issues re. student fees, etc.,either. I've
kind of been in my own American world for several months.
--- On Fri, 4/11/11, Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Julie Krueger <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: QPR v Chelsea/ Tessellated Pavement
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Beth Aylard" <hawk315@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, 4 November, 2011, 11:31
I didn't quite realize things were so bad where you are, Judy. I've been
pretty ensconced in U.S. news lately and haven't kept up much with what's
happening overseas, except maybe for Greece. I need to watch a little broader
news, I think. American politics have been either wildly amusing or deeply
frightening, depending on your mood at the time. And there's the WSO I've been
following pretty fanatically.
If the NHS goes under, what are the proposed alternatives? Didn't realize you
all were having issues re. student fees, etc.,either. I've kind of been in my
own American world for several months.
With the U.S. struggling so hard to find ways to provide health care and lower
student fees and alla dat (the Congress has been such a huge obstacle -- the
bills they won't even put to the floor for debate even), it is disheartening to
hear places like England with systems I have admired are losing that ground.
Julie Krueger
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I don't really know. There's no particular reason why you should hear about
the Lib. Dem. part of the coalition, I'd say it's been subsumed. There are
some good Lib. Dem. Lords, and they've been doing what they can to postpone the
effective abolition of the NHS. My MP left her ministerial aide post over
student fees, but that was politically sensible: anti-war and anti-fees votes
were crucial to her election in 2005. I assume Lib. Dem. ministers are still
saying coalition policies would have been even more dreadful if they hadn't
acted as a moderating influence... .
"a tessellated
> pavement without cement."
naked self-interest stands in for cement; Lib Dem support's collapsed since the
election, the last thing they need is another one soon.
I feel I should have more to say about this. I think I'm just too gloomy (NHS,
welfare/benefit cuts, economy flatlining...) to take much of an interest.
Here's a funny political clip instead!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNuUP8GX4AU
Judy Evans, Cardiff
--- On Thu, 3/11/11, David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: QPR v Chelsea/ Tessellated Pavement
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, 3 November, 2011, 18:38
> News of football and of celebrity
> breeding habits travels here just fine. What I
> realized today, though, is that I'm missing any
> assessment of how co-alition government in Britain is
> working. The realization was provoked by a line from
> Burke, who described one such government as "a tessellated
> pavement without cement." We get mentions in our news
> of the British chief brick annoying Sarkozy, but nothing
> about the Lib-Dems. Any thoughts from those who are
> geographically closer, or who read what I do not?
>
> David Ritchie,
> with nary a lib-dem in sight in
> Portland,
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